Bruyneel-isms - Stage 15

[Nobody]

JB: I'm here because I don't have anything else to do in the middle of
July. :)

o When the speeds are high the bodies slide and less breakage. The
bad crashes are at low speed lie the feed zone it's like a dead body
hitting the pavement.

o Radio range. It depend. 3-4 km on flats. 2-3 km if hilly.

o Sastre - Man of the 3rd week, but needs a 3-4min lead to have a 2
min lead at the ITT. He's very Dangerous .

o (talking about a ride, but I misheard) Winner Vuelta. Rode with
Indurain's team, got experience there.

o Evans - race for the victory on this stage, vs race for the tour
makes this stage ideal for him.

o Need 6-7 min gap for the break away at the bottom to succeed. Highly
unlikely for the breakaway. (he was wrong obvs.)

o The legs do the talking. Stay within yourself. Give a relaxed
impression from the car is important.

o Give Schleck a few secs at the top of the climb then CSC would feel
the preassure and benefit Cadel.

[Kurgan Gringioni]

On Jul 21, 11:07*am, Nobody<nob...@nowhere.net> wrote:

> o Give Schleck a few secs at the top of the climb then CSC would feel
> the preassure and benefit Cadel.



Dumbass -


That is the key statement there.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

[samson]

In article <suj984pph0btv55i0e9h4iqdhrhsio5339@4ax.com>,
nobody@nowhere.net says...
> JB: I'm here because I don't have anything else to do in the middle of
> July. :)
>
> o When the speeds are high the bodies slide and less breakage. The
> bad crashes are at low speed lie the feed zone it's like a dead body
> hitting the pavement.
>
> o Radio range. It depend. 3-4 km on flats. 2-3 km if hilly.
>
> o Sastre - Man of the 3rd week, but needs a 3-4min lead to have a 2
> min lead at the ITT. He's very Dangerous .
>
> o (talking about a ride, but I misheard) Winner Vuelta. Rode with
> Indurain's team, got experience there.
>
> o Evans - race for the victory on this stage, vs race for the tour
> makes this stage ideal for him.
>
> o Need 6-7 min gap for the break away at the bottom to succeed. Highly
> unlikely for the breakaway. (he was wrong obvs.)
>
> o The legs do the talking. Stay within yourself. Give a relaxed
> impression from the car is important.
>
> o Give Schleck a few secs at the top of the climb then CSC would feel
> the preassure and benefit Cadel.

It really is a pleasure listening to Bruyneel's insights. A very
bright guy, apparently fluent in six languages.

S.

[Stu Fleming]

Nobody wrote:

> o When the speeds are high the bodies slide and less breakage. The
> bad crashes are at low speed lie the feed zone it's like a dead body
> hitting the pavement.

How does he know? Who got bumped off?

[MagillaGorilla]

samson wrote:
> In article <suj984pph0btv55i0e9h4iqdhrhsio5339@4ax.com>,
> nobody@nowhere.net says...
>
>>JB: I'm here because I don't have anything else to do in the middle of
>>July. :)
>>
>>o When the speeds are high the bodies slide and less breakage. The
>>bad crashes are at low speed lie the feed zone it's like a dead body
>>hitting the pavement.
>>
>>o Radio range. It depend. 3-4 km on flats. 2-3 km if hilly.
>>
>>o Sastre - Man of the 3rd week, but needs a 3-4min lead to have a 2
>>min lead at the ITT. He's very Dangerous .
>>
>>o (talking about a ride, but I misheard) Winner Vuelta. Rode with
>>Indurain's team, got experience there.
>>
>>o Evans - race for the victory on this stage, vs race for the tour
>>makes this stage ideal for him.
>>
>>o Need 6-7 min gap for the break away at the bottom to succeed. Highly
>>unlikely for the breakaway. (he was wrong obvs.)
>>
>>o The legs do the talking. Stay within yourself. Give a relaxed
>>impression from the car is important.
>>
>>o Give Schleck a few secs at the top of the climb then CSC would feel
>>the preassure and benefit Cadel.
>
>
> It really is a pleasure listening to Bruyneel's insights. A very
> bright guy, apparently fluent in six languages.
>
> S.


You can't be "fluent" in 6 languages, asshat. The guy can speak
English and Flemish. Anything beyond that has not been shown.

And I wouldn't exactly call him eloquent in English.


Magilla

[Nobody]

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:07:10 +1200, Stu Fleming <stewart@wic.co.nz>
wrote:

>Nobody wrote:
>
>> o When the speeds are high the bodies slide and less breakage. The
>> bad crashes are at low speed lie the feed zone it's like a dead body
>> hitting the pavement.
>
>How does he know? Who got bumped off?

I'm just trying to accurately report what he said. It has a certain
poetry to it, no?

Oh...haha. I get it. Good one. :)

He didn't mention the phenomenon of hitting a cement bollard at 30mph
and flipping through the air like a kung fu expert on wires then
popping upright and looking for your bike...

[samson]

In article <onq9849ptthob5q7hki2brsjvttc10i56m@4ax.com>,
nobody@nowhere.net says...
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:07:10 +1200, Stu Fleming <stewart@wic.co.nz>
> wrote:
>
> >Nobody wrote:
> >
> >> o When the speeds are high the bodies slide and less breakage. The
> >> bad crashes are at low speed lie the feed zone it's like a dead body
> >> hitting the pavement.
> >
> >How does he know? Who got bumped off?
>
> I'm just trying to accurately report what he said. It has a certain
> poetry to it, no?
>
> Oh...haha. I get it. Good one. :)
>
> He didn't mention the phenomenon of hitting a cement bollard at 30mph
> and flipping through the air like a kung fu expert on wires then
> popping upright and looking for your bike...

He was going faster than 30mph, wasn't he?

S.

[Scott]

On Jul 21, 3:57*pm, samson <nos...@nospam.spam> wrote:
> In article <onq9849ptthob5q7hki2brsjvttc10i...@4ax.com>,
> nob...@nowhere.net says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:07:10 +1200, Stu Fleming <stew...@wic.co.nz>
> > wrote:
>
> > >Nobody wrote:
>
> > >> o *When the speeds are high the bodies slide and less breakage. The
> > >> bad crashes are at low speed lie the feed zone it's like a dead body
> > >> hitting the pavement.
>
> > >How does he know? *Who got bumped off?
>
> > I'm just trying to accurately report what he said. It has a certain
> > poetry to it, no?
>
> > Oh...haha. I get it. Good one. :)
>
> > He didn't mention the phenomenon of hitting a cement bollard at 30mph
> > and flipping through the air like a kung fu expert on wires then
> > popping upright and looking for your bike...
>
> He was going faster than 30mph, wasn't he?
>
> S.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Probably not. The pack was navigating a roundabout, which I would
expect would bleed a little speed, and it's not like they were winding
up for a sprint or anything. Probably weren't doing over 27 when they
approached the roundabout, and certainly weren't accelerating through
the roundabout.

But, trying to determine if the speed was over or under 30 mph is like
trying to pick the fly **** out of the pepper. It doesn't matter.
They were going pretty fast, and luckily the guy tumbled and rolled
pretty well instead of smacking into an immovable object. Even the
NASCAR guys know its no big deal to roll a car or even slide it on its
roof, the big deal comes when you hit the wall.

[samson]

In article <0bdab9a6-8c8c-41ea-8593-274bfdc09d84@
26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>, hendricks_scott@hotmail.com says...
> On Jul 21, 3:57*pm, samson <nos...@nospam.spam> wrote:
> > In article <onq9849ptthob5q7hki2brsjvttc10i...@4ax.com>,
> > nob...@nowhere.net says...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:07:10 +1200, Stu Fleming <stew...@wic.co.nz>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > >Nobody wrote:
> >
> > > >> o *When the speeds are high the bodies slide and less breakage. The
> > > >> bad crashes are at low speed lie the feed zone it's like a dead body
> > > >> hitting the pavement.
> >
> > > >How does he know? *Who got bumped off?
> >
> > > I'm just trying to accurately report what he said. It has a certain
> > > poetry to it, no?
> >
> > > Oh...haha. I get it. Good one. :)
> >
> > > He didn't mention the phenomenon of hitting a cement bollard at 30mph
> > > and flipping through the air like a kung fu expert on wires then
> > > popping upright and looking for your bike...
> >
> > He was going faster than 30mph, wasn't he?
> >
> > S.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Probably not. The pack was navigating a roundabout, which I would
> expect would bleed a little speed, and it's not like they were winding
> up for a sprint or anything. Probably weren't doing over 27 when they
> approached the roundabout, and certainly weren't accelerating through
> the roundabout.
>
> But, trying to determine if the speed was over or under 30 mph is like
> trying to pick the fly **** out of the pepper. It doesn't matter.
> They were going pretty fast, and luckily the guy tumbled and rolled
> pretty well instead of smacking into an immovable object. Even the
> NASCAR guys know its no big deal to roll a car or even slide it on its
> roof, the big deal comes when you hit the wall.

It wasn't a roundabout. There were descending in the Indurain
group.

I just remember the cameras following behind at a pretty good clip
that seemed to me to be faster than 30. I don't know for sure, though,
just a memory.

S.

[Michael Press]

In article
<0bdab9a6-8c8c-41ea-8593-274bfdc09d84@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>,
Scott <hendricks_scott@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 21, 3:57*pm, samson <nos...@nospam.spam> wrote:
> > In article <onq9849ptthob5q7hki2brsjvttc10i...@4ax.com>,
> > nob...@nowhere.net says...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:07:10 +1200, Stu Fleming <stew...@wic.co.nz>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > >Nobody wrote:
> >
> > > >> o *When the speeds are high the bodies slide and less breakage. The
> > > >> bad crashes are at low speed lie the feed zone it's like a dead body
> > > >> hitting the pavement.
> >
> > > >How does he know? *Who got bumped off?
> >
> > > I'm just trying to accurately report what he said. It has a certain
> > > poetry to it, no?
> >
> > > Oh...haha. I get it. Good one. :)
> >
> > > He didn't mention the phenomenon of hitting a cement bollard at 30mph
> > > and flipping through the air like a kung fu expert on wires then
> > > popping upright and looking for your bike...
> >
> > He was going faster than 30mph, wasn't he?
> >
> > S.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Probably not. The pack was navigating a roundabout, which I would
> expect would bleed a little speed, and it's not like they were winding
> up for a sprint or anything. Probably weren't doing over 27 when they
> approached the roundabout, and certainly weren't accelerating through
> the roundabout.
>
> But, trying to determine if the speed was over or under 30 mph is like
> trying to pick the fly **** out of the pepper. It doesn't matter.
> They were going pretty fast, and luckily the guy tumbled and rolled
> pretty well instead of smacking into an immovable object. Even the
> NASCAR guys know its no big deal to roll a car or even slide it on its
> roof, the big deal comes when you hit the wall.

Oh, man. I slid a car on the roof at 60 mph on the freeway.
Normal passenger car seat belt. I was thinking "Don't hit
anything." Came to a stop on the shoulder after traversing
four lanes. Dead stop. I am upside down so rigid, feet on
deck, hands on steering wheel, seat in seat. Slowly get
out through the busted door window. Stand up and a bunch
of construction workers are staring. Felt like taking a bow.

--
Michael Press

[Nobody]

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:20:12 -0700, Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net>
wrote:

>
>Oh, man. I slid a car on the roof at 60 mph on the freeway.
>Normal passenger car seat belt. I was thinking "Don't hit
>anything." Came to a stop on the shoulder after traversing
>four lanes. Dead stop. I am upside down so rigid, feet on
>deck, hands on steering wheel, seat in seat. Slowly get
>out through the busted door window. Stand up and a bunch
>of construction workers are staring. Felt like taking a bow.
>
>--
>Michael Press

Epic fail dumbass. We don't want your cager stories in here you moran.

(epic teasing)

[Ted van de Weteringe]

MagillaGorilla schreef:
> You can't be "fluent" in 6 languages, asshat. The guy can speak
> English and Flemish. Anything beyond that has not been shown.

To you. The language is called Dutch by the way, Flemish is a regional
pronunciation variant with a few choice peculiarities. I know (I have
seen and heard) he also speaks Spanish, from years at ONCE, and French
like a lot of other Belgians. The other two languages are probably
German (not difficult for most Dutch speakers) and Italian (most Euro
pros pick it up to some extent).

All in all, not very exciting. I agree about the fluent.

[samson]

In article <lqadnVaC8ZOZLRjVnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@ptd.net>, magilla@zoo.com
says...
> samson wrote:
> > In article <suj984pph0btv55i0e9h4iqdhrhsio5339@4ax.com>,
> > nobody@nowhere.net says...
> >
> >>JB: I'm here because I don't have anything else to do in the middle of
> >>July. :)
> >>
> >>o When the speeds are high the bodies slide and less breakage. The
> >>bad crashes are at low speed lie the feed zone it's like a dead body
> >>hitting the pavement.
> >>
> >>o Radio range. It depend. 3-4 km on flats. 2-3 km if hilly.
> >>
> >>o Sastre - Man of the 3rd week, but needs a 3-4min lead to have a 2
> >>min lead at the ITT. He's very Dangerous .
> >>
> >>o (talking about a ride, but I misheard) Winner Vuelta. Rode with
> >>Indurain's team, got experience there.
> >>
> >>o Evans - race for the victory on this stage, vs race for the tour
> >>makes this stage ideal for him.
> >>
> >>o Need 6-7 min gap for the break away at the bottom to succeed. Highly
> >>unlikely for the breakaway. (he was wrong obvs.)
> >>
> >>o The legs do the talking. Stay within yourself. Give a relaxed
> >>impression from the car is important.
> >>
> >>o Give Schleck a few secs at the top of the climb then CSC would feel
> >>the preassure and benefit Cadel.
> >
> >
> > It really is a pleasure listening to Bruyneel's insights. A very
> > bright guy, apparently fluent in six languages.
> >
> > S.
>
>
> You can't be "fluent" in 6 languages, asshat. The guy can speak
> English and Flemish. Anything beyond that has not been shown.
>
> And I wouldn't exactly call him eloquent in English.
>
>
> Magilla

If you insist. Let's just stipulate that he's smarter than
some people who post from their mother's basement.

S.

[Scott]

On Jul 22, 4:01*am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
> samson wrote:
> > In article <suj984pph0btv55i0e9h4iqdhrhsio5...@4ax.com>,
> > nob...@nowhere.net says...
>
> >>JB: I'm here because I don't have anything else to do in the middle of
> >>July. :)
>
> >>o *When the speeds are high the bodies slide and less breakage. The
> >>bad crashes are at low speed lie the feed zone it's like a dead body
> >>hitting the pavement.
>
> >>o Radio range. It depend. 3-4 km on flats. 2-3 km if hilly.
>
> >>o Sastre - Man of the 3rd week, but needs a 3-4min lead to have a 2
> >>min lead at the ITT. He's very Dangerous .
>
> >>o (talking about a ride, but I misheard) Winner Vuelta. Rode with
> >>Indurain's team, got experience there.
>
> >>o Evans - race for the victory on this stage, vs race for the tour
> >>makes this stage ideal for him.
>
> >>o Need 6-7 min gap for the break away at the bottom to succeed. Highly
> >>unlikely for the breakaway. (he was wrong obvs.)
>
> >>o The legs do the talking. Stay within yourself. Give a relaxed
> >>impression from the car is important.
>
> >>o Give Schleck a few secs at the top of the climb then CSC would feel
> >>the preassure and benefit Cadel.
>
> > It really is a pleasure listening to Bruyneel's insights. A very
> > bright guy, apparently fluent in six languages.
>
> > S.
>
> You can't be "fluent" in 6 languages, asshat. * *

> Magilla- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I took Russian in college, taught by a Hungarian who was fluent in
Hungarian, of course, plus Russian, Polish, German, Spanish, French,
and English. He could dabble in any slavic language. That's 7
languages if you don't count the various slavic languages.

How fluent, you ask? Well, I saw him on numerous occasions speaking
with three or four other professors of various languages, and he would
switch from language to language mid-conversation depending on who he
was responding to.

I also know a man in Santa Fe who speaks French, Italian, Swedish,
German, Spanish, Finnish-Estonian, Russian/Slavonic and can read and
write classic Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Latin, and ancient Greek.

I'm pretty sure these aren't the only two people in the world fluent
in multiple languages.

Just because you're marginally fluent in English doesn't mean others
can't be fluent in multiple languages.

[Robert Chung]

On Jul 22, 3:46*am, Ted van de Weteringe
<myfulln...@xs4all.nl.invalid> wrote:
> MagillaGorilla schreef:
>
> > You can't be "fluent" in 6 languages, asshat. * *The guy can speak
> > English and Flemish. *Anything beyond that has not been shown.
>
> To you. The language is called Dutch by the way, Flemish is a regional
> pronunciation variant with a few choice peculiarities. I know (I have
> seen and heard) he also speaks Spanish, from years at ONCE, and French
> like a lot of other Belgians. The other two languages are probably
> German (not difficult for most Dutch speakers) and Italian (most Euro
> pros pick it up to some extent).
>
> All in all, not very exciting. I agree about the fluent.

Warren believes one can be fluent in another language in six weeks.

[MagillaGorilla]

samson wrote:

> In article <lqadnVaC8ZOZLRjVnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@ptd.net>, magilla@zoo.com
> says...
>
>>samson wrote:
>>
>>>In article <suj984pph0btv55i0e9h4iqdhrhsio5339@4ax.com>,
>>>nobody@nowhere.net says...
>>>
>>>
>>>>JB: I'm here because I don't have anything else to do in the middle of
>>>>July. :)
>>>>
>>>>o When the speeds are high the bodies slide and less breakage. The
>>>>bad crashes are at low speed lie the feed zone it's like a dead body
>>>>hitting the pavement.
>>>>
>>>>o Radio range. It depend. 3-4 km on flats. 2-3 km if hilly.
>>>>
>>>>o Sastre - Man of the 3rd week, but needs a 3-4min lead to have a 2
>>>>min lead at the ITT. He's very Dangerous .
>>>>
>>>>o (talking about a ride, but I misheard) Winner Vuelta. Rode with
>>>>Indurain's team, got experience there.
>>>>
>>>>o Evans - race for the victory on this stage, vs race for the tour
>>>>makes this stage ideal for him.
>>>>
>>>>o Need 6-7 min gap for the break away at the bottom to succeed. Highly
>>>>unlikely for the breakaway. (he was wrong obvs.)
>>>>
>>>>o The legs do the talking. Stay within yourself. Give a relaxed
>>>>impression from the car is important.
>>>>
>>>>o Give Schleck a few secs at the top of the climb then CSC would feel
>>>>the preassure and benefit Cadel.
>>>
>>>
>>>It really is a pleasure listening to Bruyneel's insights. A very
>>>bright guy, apparently fluent in six languages.
>>>
>>>S.
>>
>>
>>You can't be "fluent" in 6 languages, asshat. The guy can speak
>>English and Flemish. Anything beyond that has not been shown.
>>
>>And I wouldn't exactly call him eloquent in English.
>>
>>
>>Magilla
>
>
> If you insist. Let's just stipulate that he's smarter than
> some people who post from their mother's basement.
>
> S.


Evidently, you never saw that little TV profile they did on Claudio
Chiapucci back in the late 1980's where they showed he was still living
with his mother after getting 2nd place in the Tour de France.

You shouldn't talk that way about him, smartmouth.

Magilla

[Bob Martin]

in 42919 20080723 152852 Robert Chung <rechung@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jul 22, 3:46=A0am, Ted van de Weteringe
><myfulln...@xs4all.nl.invalid> wrote:
>> MagillaGorilla schreef:
>>
>> > You can't be "fluent" in 6 languages, asshat. =A0 =A0The guy can speak
>> > English and Flemish. =A0Anything beyond that has not been shown.
>>
>> To you. The language is called Dutch by the way, Flemish is a regional
>> pronunciation variant with a few choice peculiarities. I know (I have
>> seen and heard) he also speaks Spanish, from years at ONCE, and French
>> like a lot of other Belgians. The other two languages are probably
>> German (not difficult for most Dutch speakers) and Italian (most Euro
>> pros pick it up to some extent).
>>
>> All in all, not very exciting. I agree about the fluent.
>
>Warren believes one can be fluent in another language in six weeks.

That's about what it took my 8-year-old son when he went to the village school
in Germany (in 1982).

[Bob Martin]

in 42961 20080723 175355 Scott <hendricks_scott@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Jul 22, 4:01=A0am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
>> samson wrote:
>> > In article <suj984pph0btv55i0e9h4iqdhrhsio5...@4ax.com>,
>> > nob...@nowhere.net says...
>>
>> >>JB: I'm here because I don't have anything else to do in the middle of
>> >>July. :)
>>
>> >>o =A0When the speeds are high the bodies slide and less breakage. The
>> >>bad crashes are at low speed lie the feed zone it's like a dead body
>> >>hitting the pavement.
>>
>> >>o Radio range. It depend. 3-4 km on flats. 2-3 km if hilly.
>>
>> >>o Sastre - Man of the 3rd week, but needs a 3-4min lead to have a 2
>> >>min lead at the ITT. He's very Dangerous .
>>
>> >>o (talking about a ride, but I misheard) Winner Vuelta. Rode with
>> >>Indurain's team, got experience there.
>>
>> >>o Evans - race for the victory on this stage, vs race for the tour
>> >>makes this stage ideal for him.
>>
>> >>o Need 6-7 min gap for the break away at the bottom to succeed. Highly
>> >>unlikely for the breakaway. (he was wrong obvs.)
>>
>> >>o The legs do the talking. Stay within yourself. Give a relaxed
>> >>impression from the car is important.
>>
>> >>o Give Schleck a few secs at the top of the climb then CSC would feel
>> >>the preassure and benefit Cadel.
>>
>> > It really is a pleasure listening to Bruyneel's insights. A very
>> > bright guy, apparently fluent in six languages.
>>
>> > S.
>>
>> You can't be "fluent" in 6 languages, asshat. =A0 =A0
>
>> Magilla- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>I took Russian in college, taught by a Hungarian who was fluent in
>Hungarian, of course, plus Russian, Polish, German, Spanish, French,
>and English. He could dabble in any slavic language. That's 7
>languages if you don't count the various slavic languages.
>
>How fluent, you ask? Well, I saw him on numerous occasions speaking
>with three or four other professors of various languages, and he would
>switch from language to language mid-conversation depending on who he
>was responding to.
>
>I also know a man in Santa Fe who speaks French, Italian, Swedish,
>German, Spanish, Finnish-Estonian, Russian/Slavonic and can read and
>write classic Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Latin, and ancient Greek.
>
>I'm pretty sure these aren't the only two people in the world fluent
>in multiple languages.
>
>Just because you're marginally fluent in English doesn't mean others
>can't be fluent in multiple languages.

Tony Rominger is fluent in 5 or 6 languages.