Menchov, the hard man will rule today and take the stage

[Nobody]

Humble prediction.

We'll see. (if he can stay off the pavement, lol)

[Nobody]

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:45:07 -0400, Nobody<nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:

>Humble prediction.
>
>We'll see. (if he can stay off the pavement, lol)
>

Popo?...no

Cyril Dessel. Blistering finish. Props. 42.5 mph avg descending speed.

Menchov 33 sec. down or something.



Darn you Paul Sherwen (his pick)

[Kurgan Gringioni]

On Jul 22, 3:45*am, Nobody<nob...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> Humble prediction.
>
> We'll see. (if he can stay off the pavement, lol)




Dumbass -


Menchov doesn't have "it".

Lost 1 minute because he wasn't in the front at a critical slippery
descent (where there was a crash and he got gapped off) even though
his DS gave him specific instructions to be one of the first ones
through due to the likelihood of a mishap there.

Today got gapped because he didn't have enough balls.

Dude would be comfortably in yellow right now if he had "it", but he
doesn't.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

[Keith]

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:06:21 -0400, Nobody<nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:45:07 -0400, Nobody<nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
>>Humble prediction.
>>
>>We'll see. (if he can stay off the pavement, lol)
>>
>
>Popo?...no
>
>Cyril Dessel. Blistering finish. Props. 42.5 mph avg descending speed.
>
>Menchov 33 sec. down or something.

yes and all lost on the descent ! I can't remember a GC contender
losing time in a descent on the "main pack", Ullrich was bad at it in
1997 but then he was only losing time to the masters in the genre,
Virenque and Pantani.

[Andre]

On Jul 22, 7:15*pm, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:06:21 -0400, Nobody<nob...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> >On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:45:07 -0400, Nobody<nob...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
> >>Humble prediction.
>
> >>We'll see. (if he can stay off the pavement, lol)
>
> >Popo?...no
>
> >Cyril Dessel. Blistering finish. Props. 42.5 mph avg descending speed.
>
> >Menchov 33 sec. down or something.
>
> yes and all lost on the descent ! I can't remember a GC contender
> losing time in a descent on the "main pack", Ullrich was bad at it in
> 1997 but then he was only losing time to the masters in the genre,
> Virenque and Pantani.

The only thing that can save Menchov now is to gain 2 minutes minimum
over Evans in tomorrow's stage. If he can be the last man out on
Saturday with a 1 minute edge he'll probably win....unless another
rider wins.

Andre

[Nobody]

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:35:34 -0700 (PDT), Kurgan Gringioni
<kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Jul 22, 3:45*am, Nobody<nob...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>> Humble prediction.

>
>Today got gapped because he didn't have enough balls.

Enough? You think three would have done it for him?

>Dude would be comfortably in yellow right now if he had "it", but he
>doesn't.

Maybe his rear brake pad was rubbing?

[Kurgan Gringioni]

On Jul 22, 6:45*pm, Nobody<nob...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:35:34 -0700 (PDT), Kurgan Gringioni
>
> <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jul 22, 3:45*am, Nobody<nob...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> >> Humble prediction.
>
> >Today got gapped because he didn't have enough balls.
>
> Enough? You think three would have done it for him?
>
> >Dude would be comfortably in yellow right now if he had "it", but he
> >doesn't.
>
> Maybe his rear brake pad was rubbing?




Dumbass -


He just doesn't have it.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

[nmp]

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

> Dumbass -
>
>
> He just doesn't have it.

If by "it" you would mean "aggression", I think I have to agree. He is a
strong enough rider and a good tactician, but when things don't go as
they should he sometimes seems to resign himself to defeat a bit too
easily.

His comeback after being dropped on Alpe d'Huez was very admirable though.

He stated yesterday he still has hope for winning the tour. But you can't
win on hope alone. Breukink doesn't think he will win anymore.

At least I do believe that Menchov is a nice guy and quite principled,
ie. not a doper. But sometimes it's almost like he can't quite believe
that he really deserves to win. Don't know why exactly, it's just how he
comes across to me.

[Keith]

On 24 Jul 2008 12:09:22 GMT, nmp <address@is.invalid> wrote:

>Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>
>> Dumbass -
>>
>>
>> He just doesn't have it.
>
>If by "it" you would mean "aggression", I think I have to agree. He is a
>strong enough rider and a good tactician, but when things don't go as
>they should he sometimes seems to resign himself to defeat a bit too
>easily.
>
>His comeback after being dropped on Alpe d'Huez was very admirable though.

Yes, don't recall that happening very often in the 30 years I've been
following the TDF.

I think he gave it a shot yesterday by following Sastre, he just ran
out of gas, which as you say shows he's probably on the cleaner side
of cycling. Something similar happened to him on the way up to Joux
Plane two years ago, but he wasn't able to keep up with
Kloden/Perreiro when he was caught.

Heck he even tried a small attack with 2km to go yesterday, but just
fell back.

[Bob Schwartz]

Keith wrote:
> I think he gave it a shot yesterday by following Sastre, he just ran
> out of gas, which as you say shows he's probably on the cleaner side
> of cycling. Something similar happened to him on the way up to Joux
> Plane two years ago, but he wasn't able to keep up with
> Kloden/Perreiro when he was caught.

I think you're one of Lafferty's pseudonyms.

Bob Schwartz

[Amit Ghosh]

On Jul 24, 10:06 am, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:

> >His comeback after being dropped on Alpe d'Huez was very admirable though.
>
> Yes, don't recall that happening very often in the 30 years I've been
> following the TDF.
>

dumbass,

that's because the group was going so slowly.

[nmp]

Keith wrote:

> On 24 Jul 2008 12:09:22 GMT, nmp <address@is.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>>
>>> Dumbass -
>>>
>>>
>>> He just doesn't have it.
>>
>>If by "it" you would mean "aggression", I think I have to agree. He is a
>>strong enough rider and a good tactician, but when things don't go as
>>they should he sometimes seems to resign himself to defeat a bit too
>>easily.
>>
>>His comeback after being dropped on Alpe d'Huez was very admirable
>>though.
>
> Yes, don't recall that happening very often in the 30 years I've been
> following the TDF.
>
> I think he gave it a shot yesterday by following Sastre, he just ran out
> of gas, which as you say shows he's probably on the cleaner side of
> cycling.

I didn't say that, exactly, because I don't think it's ncessarily true.
Even dopers can get tired, right? So getting tired, or running out of gas
as you call it, is not in itself evidence of non-doping.

(one also cannot prove a negative, someone else would say)

> Something similar happened to him on the way up to Joux Plane
> two years ago, but he wasn't able to keep up with Kloden/Perreiro when
> he was caught.
>
> Heck he even tried a small attack with 2km to go yesterday, but just
> fell back.

I remember sitting straight for a second when that happened, but an
attack it was not.

[Donald Munro]

Bob Schwartz wrote:
> I think you're one of Lafferty's pseudonyms.

Dr Frankenstein I presume.

[Fred Fredburger]

Bob Schwartz wrote:
> Keith wrote:
>> I think he gave it a shot yesterday by following Sastre, he just ran
>> out of gas, which as you say shows he's probably on the cleaner side
>> of cycling. Something similar happened to him on the way up to Joux
>> Plane two years ago, but he wasn't able to keep up with
>> Kloden/Perreiro when he was caught.
>
> I think you're one of Lafferty's pseudonyms.
>

The similarity is uncanny.

[Kurgan Gringioni]

On Jul 24, 8:05*am, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 24, 10:06 am, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > >His comeback after being dropped on Alpe d'Huez was very admirable though.
>
> > Yes, don't recall that happening very often in the 30 years I've been
> > following the TDF.
>
> dumbass,
>
> that's because the group was going so slowly.




Dumbass -


That is correct and it was a result of the Schleck Bros' gamesmanship.
Menchov was an unwitting beneficiary of the fact that their gameplan
revolved (correctly) around Evans.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

[Keith]

>I didn't say that, exactly, because I don't think it's ncessarily true.
>Even dopers can get tired, right? So getting tired, or running out of gas
>as you call it, is not in itself evidence of non-doping.
>
>(one also cannot prove a negative, someone else would say)
>
>> Something similar happened to him on the way up to Joux Plane
>> two years ago, but he wasn't able to keep up with Kloden/Perreiro when
>> he was caught.
>>
>> Heck he even tried a small attack with 2km to go yesterday, but just
>> fell back.
>
>I remember sitting straight for a second when that happened, but an
>attack it was not.

Well at least it made you do some exercise, so it wasn't all bad.

[nmp]

Keith wrote:

>>> Heck he even tried a small attack with 2km to go yesterday, but just
>>> fell back.
>>
>>I remember sitting straight for a second when that happened, but an
>>attack it was not.
>
> Well at least it made you do some exercise, so it wasn't all bad.

:-)

Well I did go on a little cycling trip yesterday. Nothing like a stage in
the Tour of course, but still.