CSC tactics

[Bounty Bob]

break it up? then let it get back together again?
Is this a soap opera?

[Bob Schwartz]

Bounty Bob wrote:
> break it up? then let it get back together again?
> Is this a soap opera?

In the back of my mind I've been thinking about who
Evans might hire in Bourg d'Oisans to help him out
in lieu of his worthless teammates. CSC looks to be
well positioned to wind it up, and looking at the
lead group I'm not sure Evans is going to have a lot
of places to look for help.

Bob Schwartz

[MagillaGorilla]

Bounty Bob wrote:

> break it up? then let it get back together again?
> Is this a soap opera?


Whatever it is it's stupid because Evans, Menchov, and van de Velde are
still there. So is Kohl. Schleck.

Riis isn't the brainchild tactician you people think he is. He's an
egghead EPO user.

His previous tactic was to rely on a gynecologist to help Basshole win
the Tour.

Magilla

[Stu Fleming]

Bounty Bob wrote:
> break it up? then let it get back together again?
> Is this a soap opera?

They look like a bunch of triathletes pulling the bunch along...

[Ted van de Weteringe]

MagillaGorilla schreef:
> Riis isn't the brainchild tactician you people think he is.

Perhaps he has already concluded that the Tour can't be won by CSC. Andy
was the best prospect but had an off day. The other two can't lose the
better timetrialers Evans and Menchov. The last resort for Riis is: make
the team look good. You know, work it for the money.

[Kurgan Gringioni]

On Jul 23, 7:45*am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
> Bounty Bob wrote:
> > break it up? then let it get back together again?
> > Is this a soap opera?
>
> Whatever it is it's stupid because Evans, Menchov, and van de Velde are
> still there. *So is Kohl. *Schleck.
>
> Riis isn't the brainchild tactician you people think he is.



Gotta disagree.

[MagillaGorilla]

Stu Fleming wrote:

> Bounty Bob wrote:
>
>> break it up? then let it get back together again?
>> Is this a soap opera?
>
>
> They look like a bunch of triathletes pulling the bunch along...


Nice observation. I like it.

Magilla

[Mike Jacoubowsky]

"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4537c718-fda9-4166-9140-5d078f82bc2c@v28g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 23, 7:45 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
> Bounty Bob wrote:
> > break it up? then let it get back together again?
> > Is this a soap opera?
>
> Whatever it is it's stupid because Evans, Menchov, and van de Velde are
> still there. So is Kohl. Schleck.
>
> Riis isn't the brainchild tactician you people think he is.

>>Gotta disagree.

It appeared that CSC was willing to sacrifice one yellow jersey for another, by having the Schlecks constantly wreck the pacing of the group "chasing" Sastre. It would make sense if you thought Sastre could actually get a 2+ minute edge on the climb, but who in their right mind would think that? It also makes sense if you assume that Frank isn't going to be able to drop Cadel, since Cadel vs Frank in the TT gives Cadel the victory... but it still seems just a bit crazy. And if it really did play out that way, Frank gets the team player of the year award.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

[Bob Schwartz]

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> On Jul 23, 7:45 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
>> Bounty Bob wrote:
>>> break it up? then let it get back together again?
>>> Is this a soap opera?
>> Whatever it is it's stupid because Evans, Menchov, and van de Velde are
>> still there. So is Kohl. Schleck.
>>
>> Riis isn't the brainchild tactician you people think he is.
>
>
>
> Gotta disagree.

Dumbass,

You forgot the universal salutation. I think it's
especially appropriate here.

Bob Schwartz

[MagillaGorilla]

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

> On Jul 23, 7:45 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Bounty Bob wrote:
>>
>>>break it up? then let it get back together again?
>>>Is this a soap opera?
>>
>>Whatever it is it's stupid because Evans, Menchov, and van de Velde are
>>still there. So is Kohl. Schleck.
>>
>>Riis isn't the brainchild tactician you people think he is.
>
>
>
>
> Gotta disagree.


His little paintball games in the early season made me want to vomit.
Tylenol, Basshole...Sastre is also on the dope.

Don't kid yourself. Sastre is from Spain - who the **** are you kidding?

Magilla

[Bob Schwartz]

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4537c718-fda9-4166-9140-5d078f82bc2c@v28g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 23, 7:45 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
>> Bounty Bob wrote:
>>> break it up? then let it get back together again?
>>> Is this a soap opera?
>> Whatever it is it's stupid because Evans, Menchov, and van de Velde are
>> still there. So is Kohl. Schleck.
>>
>> Riis isn't the brainchild tactician you people think he is.
>
>>> Gotta disagree.
>
> It appeared that CSC was willing to sacrifice one yellow jersey for another, by having the Schlecks constantly wreck the pacing of the group "chasing" Sastre. It would make sense if you thought Sastre could actually get a 2+ minute edge on the climb, but who in their right mind would think that? It also makes sense if you assume that Frank isn't going to be able to drop Cadel, since Cadel vs Frank in the TT gives Cadel the victory... but it still seems just a bit crazy. And if it really did play out that way, Frank gets the team player of the year award.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

I would like to have been a fly on the wall of the
CSC team car. If Riis asked Fränk if he could drop
Evans and Fränk answered 'no' then Sastre is the
team leader at that point.

Bob Schwartz

[Kurgan Gringioni]

On Jul 23, 9:02*am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> And if it really did play out that way, Frank gets the team player of the year award.





Dumbass -


Yes. and no.

Schleck was a good teamate, but he knows he can't beat Evans in a TT.

Of the two, Sastre was going to be the one the contenders were going
to allow to get a gap. There's no way they'd let the yellow jersey
ride up the road.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

[MagillaGorilla]

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:

> "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4537c718-fda9-4166-9140-5d078f82bc2c@v28g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 23, 7:45 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Bounty Bob wrote:
>>
>>>break it up? then let it get back together again?
>>>Is this a soap opera?
>>
>>Whatever it is it's stupid because Evans, Menchov, and van de Velde are
>>still there. So is Kohl. Schleck.
>>
>>Riis isn't the brainchild tactician you people think he is.
>
>
>>>Gotta disagree.
>
>
> It appeared that CSC was willing to sacrifice one yellow jersey for another, by having the Schlecks constantly wreck the pacing of the group "chasing" Sastre. It would make sense if you thought Sastre could actually get a 2+ minute edge on the climb, but who in their right mind would think that? It also makes sense if you assume that Frank isn't going to be able to drop Cadel, since Cadel vs Frank in the TT gives Cadel the victory... but it still seems just a bit crazy. And if it really did play out that way, Frank gets the team player of the year award.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


Evans is gonna win this Tour because CSC ****ed up. They lost the race
with those dorky-ass moves. Schleck needed to drop Evans..he could have
done it.

You don't win the Tour by riding defensively. Evans was maxed out and
the Schleck dopers couldn't drop him because they are not champions.

Neither is Riis. Riis is a doper on Rogaine. Those paintball games
they play in the offseason didn't matter today.

Both brothers from Luxenbourg are bigtime dopers and so is Sastre since
he's from Spain.


Magilla

[Stu Fleming]

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4537c718-fda9-4166-9140-5d078f82bc2c@v28g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 23, 7:45 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
>> Bounty Bob wrote:
>>> break it up? then let it get back together again?
>>> Is this a soap opera?
>> Whatever it is it's stupid because Evans, Menchov, and van de Velde are
>> still there. So is Kohl. Schleck.
>>
>> Riis isn't the brainchild tactician you people think he is.
>
>>> Gotta disagree.
>
> It appeared that CSC was willing to sacrifice one yellow jersey for another, by having the Schlecks constantly wreck the pacing of the group "chasing" Sastre. It would make sense if you thought Sastre could actually get a 2+ minute edge on the climb, but who in their right mind would think that? It also makes sense if you assume that Frank isn't going to be able to drop Cadel, since Cadel vs Frank in the TT gives Cadel the victory... but it still seems just a bit crazy. And if it really did play out that way, Frank gets the team player of the year award.

Dunno. With 10km to go, the gap was 34 sec. At the end it was 2
minutes. It looks like the Evans group lost most time when they had
Stephane Goober doing the steady pacemaking.

[Carl Sundquist]

"MagillaGorilla" <magilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
news:zaKdnSN_jNdF8RrVnZ2dnUVZ_uSdnZ2d@ptd.net...
>
> His little paintball games in the early season made me want to vomit.
> Tylenol, Basshole...Sastre is also on the dope.
>
> Don't kid yourself. Sastre is from Spain - who the **** are you kidding?
>
> Magilla

Euskatel must not have a doping budget.

[Nobody]

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:50:36 -0700 (PDT), Kurgan Gringioni
<kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Jul 23, 9:02*am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> And if it really did play out that way, Frank gets the team player of the year award.
>
>
>
>
>
>Dumbass -
>
>
>Yes. and no.
>
>Schleck was a good teamate, but he knows he can't beat Evans in a TT.
>
>Of the two, Sastre was going to be the one the contenders were going
>to allow to get a gap. There's no way they'd let the yellow jersey
>ride up the road.
>
>
>thanks,
>
>K. Gringioni.


I can see this, but I fear that CSC lost the Tour b/c of
this...potentially.

Oh well, racing is tactics within tactics and you have to pick one.

Nice post.

[Nobody]

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:51:43 -0400, MagillaGorilla <magilla@zoo.com>
wrote:

>Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>
>> "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4537c718-fda9-4166-9140-5d078f82bc2c@v28g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 23, 7:45 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Bounty Bob wrote:
>>>
>>>>break it up? then let it get back together again?
>>>>Is this a soap opera?
>>>
>>>Whatever it is it's stupid because Evans, Menchov, and van de Velde are
>>>still there. So is Kohl. Schleck.
>>>
>>>Riis isn't the brainchild tactician you people think he is.
>>
>>
>>>>Gotta disagree.
>>
>>
>> It appeared that CSC was willing to sacrifice one yellow jersey for another, by having the Schlecks constantly wreck the pacing of the group "chasing" Sastre. It would make sense if you thought Sastre could actually get a 2+ minute edge on the climb, but who in their right mind would think that? It also makes sense if you assume that Frank isn't going to be able to drop Cadel, since Cadel vs Frank in the TT gives Cadel the victory... but it still seems just a bit crazy. And if it really did play out that way, Frank gets the team player of the year award.
>>
>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
>> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
>
>Evans is gonna win this Tour because CSC ****ed up. They lost the race
>with those dorky-ass moves. Schleck needed to drop Evans..he could have
>done it.
>
>You don't win the Tour by riding defensively. Evans was maxed out and
>the Schleck dopers couldn't drop him because they are not champions.
>
>Neither is Riis. Riis is a doper on Rogaine. Those paintball games
>they play in the offseason didn't matter today.
>
>Both brothers from Luxenbourg are bigtime dopers and so is Sastre since
>he's from Spain.
>
>
>Magilla

ROFLMAO. I'm loving rbr this year.

[Donald Munro]

MagillaGorilla wrote:
> Neither is Riis. Riis is a doper on Rogaine.

He'd better find something more effective since the Rogaine doesn't
appear to be working.

[RicodJour]

On Jul 23, 1:51*pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
>
> Evans is gonna win this Tour because CSC ****ed up.
>
> You don't win the Tour by riding defensively.

Oxy(contin)Moron - sucking wheels is defensive riding. Evans is very
good at it.

R

[Morten Reippuert Knudsen]

On 2008-07-23 19:51:43 +0200, MagillaGorilla <magilla@zoo.com> said:

> Both brothers from Luxenbourg are bigtime dopers and so is Sastre since
> he's from Spain.

Who's has had a doctor called Ferari?
--
mvh. Morten Reippuert Knudsen

"Besides, if you can't get a decent kernal panic
or two in a month, what's the point of living?"

[Bounty Bob]

Stu Fleming wrote:

> Dunno. With 10km to go, the gap was 34 sec. At the end it was 2
> minutes. It looks like the Evans group lost most time when they had
> Stephane Goober doing the steady pacemaking.

Talking of time gaps.. I did not realise quite how pointless
that gps based one was.. I mean watching the gap to Menchov
for example it would bounce from 10 to 30 seconds then back
again.. and the highest value I saw was 38 when Menchov was
on screen about to rejoin the yellow jersey group!

[Michael Press]

In article
<583907d8-2045-41fb-a3ff-4a8278464fe7@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
RicodJour <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 23, 1:51*pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Evans is gonna win this Tour because CSC ****ed up.
> >
> > You don't win the Tour by riding defensively.
>
> Oxy(contin)Moron - sucking wheels is defensive riding. Evans is very
> good at it.

I can see why Evans is known in these parts as a wheel sucker;
yet there is no wheel to suck in an ITT. Yes?

--
Michael Press

[Ted van de Weteringe]

Carl Sundquist schreef:
> "MagillaGorilla" wrote:
>> His little paintball games in the early season made me want to vomit.
>> Tylenol, Basshole...Sastre is also on the dope.
>>
>> Don't kid yourself. Sastre is from Spain - who the **** are you kidding?
>
> Euskatel must not have a doping budget.

Euskaltel might.

[MagillaGorilla]

Carl Sundquist wrote:

> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
> news:zaKdnSN_jNdF8RrVnZ2dnUVZ_uSdnZ2d@ptd.net...
>
>>His little paintball games in the early season made me want to vomit.
>>Tylenol, Basshole...Sastre is also on the dope.
>>
>>Don't kid yourself. Sastre is from Spain - who the **** are you kidding?
>>
>>Magilla
>
>
> Euskatel must not have a doping budget.
>
>


80% of the Eukanuba sponsor investment went towards the procurement of
doping products.

Magilla

[Nobody]

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:22:38 -0400, MagillaGorilla <magilla@zoo.com>
wrote:

>Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
>> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:zaKdnSN_jNdF8RrVnZ2dnUVZ_uSdnZ2d@ptd.net...
>>
>>>His little paintball games in the early season made me want to vomit.
>>>Tylenol, Basshole...Sastre is also on the dope.
>>>
>>>Don't kid yourself. Sastre is from Spain - who the **** are you kidding?
>>>
>>>Magilla
>>
>>
>> Euskatel must not have a doping budget.
>>
>>
>
>
>80% of the Eukanuba sponsor investment went towards the procurement of
>doping products.
>
>Magilla

Hell yes. P&G donates part of their profits to Satan.

http://www.snopes.com/business/alliance/procter.asp

[Keith]

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:47:37 +0200, Morten Reippuert Knudsen
<spam@reippuert.dk> wrote:

>On 2008-07-23 19:51:43 +0200, MagillaGorilla <magilla@zoo.com> said:
>
>> Both brothers from Luxenbourg are bigtime dopers and so is Sastre since
>> he's from Spain.
>
>Who's has had a doctor called Ferari?

I know Lance "the doper" Armstrong.

[Donald Munro]

MagillaGorilla said:
>
>> Both brothers from Luxenbourg are bigtime dopers and so is Sastre since
>> he's from Spain.

Morten Reippuert Knudsen wrote:
> Who's has had a doctor called Ferari?

Evans ?

Do I get a gold star in my exercise book ?