The dopers are gone

[Bob Schwartz]

Anyone that saw the looks of pain on their faces
would know that the dopers are gone. This is the
cleanest Tour in years. Very refreshing.

Brian Lafferty

[Lax]

On Jul 23, 12:15*pm, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> Anyone that saw the looks of pain on their faces
> would know that the dopers are gone. This is the
> cleanest Tour in years. Very refreshing.
>
> Brian Lafferty

EPO is probably almost gone.
But I'm not sure about the "take my blood out, concentrate my red
blood cells, and pump it back in before race" doping.
20 riders were tested to have a red-blood-cell to total blood volume
ratio of right near 50% (the limit before they start investigating
your biological passport and comparing with previous blood tests).

[Nobody]

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:15:50 -0500, Bob Schwartz
<bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Anyone that saw the looks of pain on their faces
>would know that the dopers are gone. This is the
>cleanest Tour in years. Very refreshing.
>
>Brian Lafferty

You're abusing sarcasm

[MagillaGorilla]

Bob Schwartz wrote:

> Anyone that saw the looks of pain on their faces
> would know that the dopers are gone. This is the
> cleanest Tour in years. Very refreshing.
>
> Brian Lafferty


Bull****. Valverde is on the program. So are the Schleck brothers and
Kim Kirchen.

All three are from Luxenbourg...what are the chances that 3 riders from
a tiny country can beat riders from other countries with pools of elite
riders in the hundreds of thousands?

I'll tell you the answer to that: it's the same probability as guys like
Vinokourox and Kashechkin being on par with the best in the world
without dope and coming from a bull**** country like Make Glorios Nation
for Kazakstan.

Menchov is also on the dope.

Not sure how you can also overlook the fact that 3 guys - stage winners
also tested positve for EPO.

Van de Velde is probably also on the dope given that he knew all his
Postal teammates were ont he dope and his still Omerta on the subject.



Magilla

[ST]

On 7/23/08 9:15 AM, in article JOIhk.15138$xZ.6042@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com,
"Bob Schwartz" <bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Anyone that saw the looks of pain on their faces
> would know that the dopers are gone. This is the
> cleanest Tour in years. Very refreshing.
>
> Brian Lafferty


Assbag-

BAH HAH HAH!!!

[Nobody]

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:24:43 -0700 (PDT), Lax <Lax.Clarke@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Jul 23, 12:15*pm, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net>
>wrote:
>> Anyone that saw the looks of pain on their faces
>> would know that the dopers are gone. This is the
>> cleanest Tour in years. Very refreshing.
>>
>> Brian Lafferty
>
>EPO is probably almost gone.
>But I'm not sure about the "take my blood out, concentrate my red
>blood cells, and pump it back in before race" doping.
>20 riders were tested to have a red-blood-cell to total blood volume
>ratio of right near 50% (the limit before they start investigating
>your biological passport and comparing with previous blood tests).

I'm definitely subscribing to your newsletter!

[Donald Munro]

Nobody wrote:
> You're abusing sarcasm

You've got to have a minimum and a maximum value when calibrating
a sarcasmmeter.

[Bob Schwartz]

Nobody wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:15:50 -0500, Bob Schwartz
> <bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Anyone that saw the looks of pain on their faces
>> would know that the dopers are gone. This is the
>> cleanest Tour in years. Very refreshing.
>>
>> Brian Lafferty
>
> You're abusing sarcasm

True story.

I was listening to a radio quiz show, and the
question was "How old are most kids when they
'get' sarcasm?" The answer was 8. At the time
my daughter was 6, and she most definitely
understood sarcasm. My wife and I were very
proud to have raised a sarcasm prodigy.

Bob Schwartz

[benn.trovato@hotmail.com]

On Jul 23, 10:25 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
> Bob Schwartz wrote:
> > Anyone that saw the looks of pain on their faces
> > would know that the dopers are gone. This is the
> > cleanest Tour in years. Very refreshing.
>
> > Brian Lafferty
>
> Bull****. Valverde is on the program. So are the Schleck brothers and
> Kim Kirchen.
>
> All three are from Luxenbourg...what are the chances that 3 riders from
> a tiny country can beat riders from other countries with pools of elite
> riders in the hundreds of thousands?
>
> I'll tell you the answer to that: it's the same probability as guys like
> Vinokourox and Kashechkin being on par with the best in the world
> without dope and coming from a bull**** country like Make Glorios Nation
> for Kazakstan.
>
> Menchov is also on the dope.
>
> Not sure how you can also overlook the fact that 3 guys - stage winners
> also tested positve for EPO.
>
> Van de Velde is probably also on the dope given that he knew all his
> Postal teammates were ont he dope and his still Omerta on the subject.
>
> Magilla

pink pendulous dumb ass,
Picking your place of birth is not nearly as important as picking your
parents.
You're getting more **** on the bars than through them, monkey boy.

[Kurgan Gringioni]

On Jul 23, 10:25*am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
> Bob Schwartz wrote:
> > Anyone that saw the looks of pain on their faces
> > would know that the dopers are gone. This is the
> > cleanest Tour in years. Very refreshing.
>
> > Brian Lafferty
>
> Bull****. *Valverde is on the program. *So are the Schleck brothers and
> Kim Kirchen.


<snip>



Dumbass -


Your sarcasm meter is out. Look at the OP, then look at the sig.

He's making fun of Laff@me for coming in here and declaring this tour
to be clean.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

[ilanpsi@gmail.com]

On Jul 23, 7:25 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
>
> All three are from Luxenbourg...what are the chances that 3 riders from
> a tiny country can beat riders from other countries with pools of elite
> riders in the hundreds of thousands?
>
> I'll tell you the answer to that: it's the same probability as guys like
> Vinokourox and Kashechkin being on par with the best in the world
> without dope and coming from a bull**** country like Make Glorios Nation
> for Kazakstan.

If I remember correctly Iceland, not one of the world's most populous
country, had 7 chess grandmasters at one point, in particular, about
the same as the USA, France and the UK combined (the last two had zero
at that time). I have yet to hear of doping for the brain, if you know
of any such method, please tell me!

-ilan

[Brian Lafferty]

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> On Jul 23, 10:25 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
>> Bob Schwartz wrote:
>>> Anyone that saw the looks of pain on their faces
>>> would know that the dopers are gone. This is the
>>> cleanest Tour in years. Very refreshing.
>>> Brian Lafferty
>> Bull****. Valverde is on the program. So are the Schleck brothers and
>> Kim Kirchen.
>
>
> <snip>
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
>
> Your sarcasm meter is out. Look at the OP, then look at the sig.
>
> He's making fun of Laff@me for coming in here and declaring this tour
> to be clean.
>
>
> thanks,
>
> K. Gringioni.

****head, I have no recollection of declaring this Tour clean and that's
because I didn't. There are indications that this Tour is cleaner, but
it's far from clean.

[Howard Kveck]

In article <59d2b8dd-82c9-491a-be1f-e37d4cb7163c@p31g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Kurgan Gringioni <kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 23, 10:25*am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
> > Bob Schwartz wrote:
> > > Anyone that saw the looks of pain on their faces
> > > would know that the dopers are gone. This is the
> > > cleanest Tour in years. Very refreshing.
> >
> > > Brian Lafferty
> >
> > Bull****. *Valverde is on the program. *So are the Schleck brothers and
> > Kim Kirchen.
>
>
> <snip>
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
>
> Your sarcasm meter is out. Look at the OP, then look at the sig.
>
> He's making fun of Laff@me for coming in here and declaring this tour
> to be clean.

This was a clear case of sarchasm [1]. Nice one, Bob!


[1] The gap between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[Kurgan Gringioni]

On Jul 23, 12:27*pm, Brian Lafferty <blaffe...@nowhere.com> wrote:

>
> ****head, I have no recollection of declaring this Tour clean and that's
> because I didn't. There are indications that this Tour is cleaner, but
> it's far from clean.



You are a lying sack of ****.


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: Brian Lafferty <blaffe...@nowhere.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:38:13 GMT
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Bob Schwartz wrote:
> When you ride with LANCE, you will not test positive.

> But when you are not riding with LANCE, you are doomed.

> Bob Schwartz


It was interesting to see George not pacing Kirchen up the climbs
today
as used to do with Armstrong. What could be different? :-) I suppose
this means George won't be winning any mountain stages this year.

It does appear that the blood profiling being done is having a
positive
(poor choice of word) effect on the racing. It almost seems like a
return to 1989 and before, but with the benefit of better training
methods. Tomorrow should be a fun day to watch.

[Bob Schwartz]

Brian Lafferty wrote:
> Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>>
>> Dumbass -
>
> ****head,

Kisses!!

Bob Schwartz

[SLAVE of THE STATE]

On Jul 23, 12:35*pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Nobody wrote:
> > You're abusing sarcasm
>
> You've got to have a minimum and a maximum value when calibrating
> a sarcasmmeter.

My pets do good work from time to time.

http://store.ncsli.org/ANSI_NCSL_Z540_2-1997_R2002__P118C35.cfm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measurement_uncertainty

[Scott]

On Jul 23, 1:35*pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Nobody wrote:
> > You're abusing sarcasm
>
> You've got to have a minimum and a maximum value when calibrating
> a sarcasmmeter.

Since when is sarcasm measured on a sliding scale? It's either
sarcastic or it's not. :->

[Benjo Maso]

<ilanpsi@gmail.com> schreef in bericht
news:abf5c4e4-c87d-4b5b-9a7b-8b8e1305246a@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 23, 7:25 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> All three are from Luxenbourg...what are the chances that 3 riders from
>> a tiny country can beat riders from other countries with pools of elite
>> riders in the hundreds of thousands?
>>
>> I'll tell you the answer to that: it's the same probability as guys like
>> Vinokourox and Kashechkin being on par with the best in the world
>> without dope and coming from a bull**** country like Make Glorios Nation
>> for Kazakstan.
>
> If I remember correctly Iceland, not one of the world's most populous
> country, had 7 chess grandmasters at one point, in particular, about
> the same as the USA, France and the UK combined (the last two had zero
> at that time). I have yet to hear of doping for the brain, if you know
> of any such method, please tell me!

It must exist, otherwise the FIDE hadn't announced the introduction of
doping control in chess, although the Association of Chess Professionals
argued "that the current doping-list as well as the regulations of players
control are not fully adapted to chess".

Benjo

[MagillaGorilla]

ilanpsi@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 23, 7:25 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
>
>>All three are from Luxenbourg...what are the chances that 3 riders from
>>a tiny country can beat riders from other countries with pools of elite
>>riders in the hundreds of thousands?
>>
>>I'll tell you the answer to that: it's the same probability as guys like
>>Vinokourox and Kashechkin being on par with the best in the world
>>without dope and coming from a bull**** country like Make Glorios Nation
>>for Kazakstan.
>
>
> If I remember correctly Iceland, not one of the world's most populous
> country, had 7 chess grandmasters at one point, in particular, about
> the same as the USA, France and the UK combined (the last two had zero
> at that time). I have yet to hear of doping for the brain, if you know
> of any such method, please tell me!
>
> -ilan



It's obviousd more people played chess in Iceland than in the U.S.
Otherwise you could not get those numbers.

If you have 3 top-10 cyclists from a nation that's the size of ****ing
Rhode Island and the U.S. can't barely get one guy there, you have to
ask yourself what's causing that.

And the answer is the same thing that allowed Spain and Kazakstan to win
so many Grand Tours.

Pro Cycling and winning Grand Tours is a function of genetics. It
simply doesn't make sense that Luxenbourg would have 3 guys in the top
10 unless they were dopers.


Magilla

[phillip brown]

On Jul 24, 6:04*am, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 23, 7:25 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > All three are from Luxenbourg...what are the chances that 3 riders from
> > a tiny country can beat riders from other countries with pools of elite
> > riders in the hundreds of thousands?
>
> > I'll tell you the answer to that: it's the same probability as guys like
> > Vinokourox and Kashechkin being on par with the best in the world
> > without dope and coming from a bull**** country like Make Glorios Nation
> > for Kazakstan.
>
> If I remember correctly Iceland, not one of the world's most populous
> country, had 7 chess grandmasters at one point, in particular, about
> the same as the USA, France and the UK combined (the last two had zero
> at that time). I have yet to hear of doping for the brain, if you know
> of any such method, please tell me!
>
> -ilan

What the hell else is there to do in Iceland?

phillip brown

[Booker Bense]

In article <abf5c4e4-c87d-4b5b-9a7b-8b8e1305246a@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
<ilanpsi@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jul 23, 7:25 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
>>
>
>If I remember correctly Iceland, not one of the world's most populous
>country, had 7 chess grandmasters at one point, in particular, about
>the same as the USA, France and the UK combined (the last two had zero
>at that time). I have yet to hear of doping for the brain, if you know
>of any such method, please tell me!
>

Coffee on the low end, ritalin on the high end. Google Erdos for
the most well known "doper" in mathematics. Drug abuse in
intellectual pursuits is just as rampant as drug abuse everywhere
else.

_ Booker C. Bense

[ilanpsi@gmail.com]

On Jul 23, 10:43 pm, "Benjo Maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl> wrote:
> <ilan...@gmail.com> schreef in berichtnews:abf5c4e4-c87d-4b5b-9a7b-8b8e1305246a@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Jul 23, 7:25 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> All three are from Luxenbourg...what are the chances that 3 riders from
> >> a tiny country can beat riders from other countries with pools of elite
> >> riders in the hundreds of thousands?
>
> >> I'll tell you the answer to that: it's the same probability as guys like
> >> Vinokourox and Kashechkin being on par with the best in the world
> >> without dope and coming from a bull**** country like Make Glorios Nation
> >> for Kazakstan.
>
> > If I remember correctly Iceland, not one of the world's most populous
> > country, had 7 chess grandmasters at one point, in particular, about
> > the same as the USA, France and the UK combined (the last two had zero
> > at that time). I have yet to hear of doping for the brain, if you know
> > of any such method, please tell me!
>
> It must exist, otherwise the FIDE hadn't announced the introduction of
> doping control in chess, although the Association of Chess Professionals
> argued "that the current doping-list as well as the regulations of players
> control are not fully adapted to chess".
>
> Benjo

Nope, that's because FIDE had the brilliant idea to make chess and
Olympic sport, a requirement being the same doping tests for chess
players as for all current Olympic sports. In other words, the chess
players would have had the same tests as cyclists, and I'm pretty sure
that cyclists are not being tested for brain enhancing drugs :).

-ilan

[Dan Becker]

In article <6epjffF7v4l2U1@mid.individual.net>, Benjo Maso
<benjo.maso@chello.nl> wrote:

> <ilanpsi@gmail.com> schreef in bericht
> news:abf5c4e4-c87d-4b5b-9a7b-8b8e1305246a@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jul 23, 7:25 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> All three are from Luxenbourg...what are the chances that 3 riders from
> >> a tiny country can beat riders from other countries with pools of elite
> >> riders in the hundreds of thousands?
> >>
> >> I'll tell you the answer to that: it's the same probability as guys like
> >> Vinokourox and Kashechkin being on par with the best in the world
> >> without dope and coming from a bull**** country like Make Glorios Nation
> >> for Kazakstan.
> >
> > If I remember correctly Iceland, not one of the world's most populous
> > country, had 7 chess grandmasters at one point, in particular, about
> > the same as the USA, France and the UK combined (the last two had zero
> > at that time). I have yet to hear of doping for the brain, if you know
> > of any such method, please tell me!
>
> It must exist, otherwise the FIDE hadn't announced the introduction of
> doping control in chess, although the Association of Chess Professionals
> argued "that the current doping-list as well as the regulations of players
> control are not fully adapted to chess".

It turns out playing chess is more a more physical pursuit after all.

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=1348
http://site.wcbo.org/content/e14/index_en.html

Dan

[Nobody]

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:43:21 +0200, "Benjo Maso"
<benjo.maso@chello.nl> wrote:

>
><ilanpsi@gmail.com> schreef in bericht
>news:abf5c4e4-c87d-4b5b-9a7b-8b8e1305246a@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 23, 7:25 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> All three are from Luxenbourg...what are the chances that 3 riders from
>>> a tiny country can beat riders from other countries with pools of elite
>>> riders in the hundreds of thousands?
>>>
>>> I'll tell you the answer to that: it's the same probability as guys like
>>> Vinokourox and Kashechkin being on par with the best in the world
>>> without dope and coming from a bull**** country like Make Glorios Nation
>>> for Kazakstan.
>>
>> If I remember correctly Iceland, not one of the world's most populous
>> country, had 7 chess grandmasters at one point, in particular, about
>> the same as the USA, France and the UK combined (the last two had zero
>> at that time). I have yet to hear of doping for the brain, if you know
>> of any such method, please tell me!
>
>It must exist, otherwise the FIDE hadn't announced the introduction of
>doping control in chess, although the Association of Chess Professionals
>argued "that the current doping-list as well as the regulations of players
>control are not fully adapted to chess".
>
>Benjo

Benjo is a prodigious prodigy and he has Fianchetto'd the correct.

(They take amphetamine and some of the Nootropics.)

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=2359

[Carl Sundquist]

<ilanpsi@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d0411961-2a64-4c31-b99e-7f7c671c98d9@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 23, 10:43 pm, "Benjo Maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl> wrote:
>> <ilan...@gmail.com> schreef in
>> berichtnews:abf5c4e4-c87d-4b5b-9a7b-8b8e1305246a@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jul 23, 7:25 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> All three are from Luxenbourg...what are the chances that 3 riders
>> >> from
>> >> a tiny country can beat riders from other countries with pools of
>> >> elite
>> >> riders in the hundreds of thousands?
>>
>> >> I'll tell you the answer to that: it's the same probability as guys
>> >> like
>> >> Vinokourox and Kashechkin being on par with the best in the world
>> >> without dope and coming from a bull**** country like Make Glorios
>> >> Nation
>> >> for Kazakstan.
>>
>> > If I remember correctly Iceland, not one of the world's most populous
>> > country, had 7 chess grandmasters at one point, in particular, about
>> > the same as the USA, France and the UK combined (the last two had zero
>> > at that time). I have yet to hear of doping for the brain, if you know
>> > of any such method, please tell me!
>>
>> It must exist, otherwise the FIDE hadn't announced the introduction of
>> doping control in chess, although the Association of Chess Professionals
>> argued "that the current doping-list as well as the regulations of
>> players
>> control are not fully adapted to chess".
>>
>> Benjo
>
> Nope, that's because FIDE had the brilliant idea to make chess and
> Olympic sport, a requirement being the same doping tests for chess
> players as for all current Olympic sports. In other words, the chess
> players would have had the same tests as cyclists, and I'm pretty sure
> that cyclists are not being tested for brain enhancing drugs :).
>
> -ilan

Carphedron?

[Davey Crockett]

ilanpsi@gmail.com a écrit profondement:

|
| Nope, that's because FIDE had the brilliant idea to make chess and
| Olympic sport, a requirement being the same doping tests for chess
| players as for all current Olympic sports. In other words, the chess
| players would have had the same tests as cyclists, and I'm pretty sure
| that cyclists are not being tested for brain enhancing drugs :).
|
| -ilan

Are you sure they don't test for psychomotor and CNS stimulants?

--

[Donald Munro]

ilanpsi wrote:
> I'm pretty sure that cyclists are not being tested for brain enhancing drugs :).

The Millar line in action.

[Amit Ghosh]

On Jul 23, 7:50 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:


> Pro Cycling and winning Grand Tours is a function of genetics. It
> simply doesn't make sense that Luxenbourg would have 3 guys in the top
> 10 unless they were dopers.
>

does this apply to monaco too ?

[bjw@mambo.ucolick.org]

On Jul 23, 4:50*pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
> ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Jul 23, 7:25 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>All three are from Luxenbourg...what are the chances that 3 riders from
> >>a tiny country can beat riders from other countries with pools of elite
> >>riders in the hundreds of thousands?
>
> >>I'll tell you the answer to that: it's the same probability as guys like
> >>Vinokourox and Kashechkin being on par with the best in the world
> >>without dope and coming from a bull**** country like Make Glorios Nation
> >>for Kazakstan.
>
> > If I remember correctly Iceland, not one of the world's most populous
> > country, had 7 chess grandmasters at one point, in particular, about
> > the same as the USA, France and the UK combined (the last two had zero
> > at that time). I have yet to hear of doping for the brain, if you know
> > of any such method, please tell me!
>
> > -ilan
>
> It's obviousd more people played chess in Iceland than in the U.S.
> Otherwise you could not get those numbers.
>
> If you have 3 top-10 cyclists from a nation that's the size of ****ing
> Rhode Island and the U.S. can't barely get one guy there, you have to
> ask yourself what's causing that.
>
> And the answer is the same thing that allowed Spain and Kazakstan to win
> so many Grand Tours.
>
> Pro Cycling and winning Grand Tours is a function of genetics. *It
> simply doesn't make sense that Luxenbourg would have 3 guys in the top
> 10 unless they were dopers.

Dumbass,

Luxembourg is very small. So even if they all
doped, and only a few percent of riders from
France, Germany, the UK, and the US doped,
it couldn't explain why Luxembourg is beating
the shorts off those countries. Obviously, there
are only two possibilities:

1. Luxembourg really has a much larger
population, perhaps it is the iceberg-tip of a
much larger underground kingdom. This
probably doesn't work because the riders
wouldn't be able to train on the roads.

2. Those guys aren't really from Luxembourg,
they're riders from Pennsylvania or New Jersey
who thought "Luxembourg" sounded cooler,
and they wouldn't get found out because really,
what are the chances of running into someone
from Luxembourg? This is probably correct -
after all, their names are Andy, Frank, and Kim,
which are clearly English names, not wacko
foreign-language names like "Cadel."

Hope this helps,
Ben

[MagillaGorilla]

Amit Ghosh wrote:

> On Jul 23, 7:50 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Pro Cycling and winning Grand Tours is a function of genetics. It
>>simply doesn't make sense that Luxenbourg would have 3 guys in the top
>>10 unless they were dopers.
>>
>
>
> does this apply to monaco too ?


If you look at the results of the Tour you see Americans won the most in
the past 20 years. After that was France. This is consistent with the
population statistics of each country.

When you see Luxenbourg and Kazakstan guys in the top 10 contending for
the win, it's likely from doping because there's no way you would find
those gems in the few riders who take up cycling in those countries
(compared to the U.S.).

It's a statistical fact.

Monaco...only if they are denizens. Boonen type tax-moves do not count.

Magilla

[Donald Munro]

phillip brown wrote:
> What the hell else is there to do in Iceland?

<http://www.real-iceland.com/sex>

[sigvaldi]

>
> What the hell else is there to do inIceland?
>
> phillip brown- Hide quoted text -
>

Well, just as much as in any other country!
What makes you think that Iceland is so different?

Sigvaldi

[Mark]

bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> On Jul 23, 4:50 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
>> ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Jul 23, 7:25 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
>>>> All three are from Luxenbourg...what are the chances that 3 riders from
>>>> a tiny country can beat riders from other countries with pools of elite
>>>> riders in the hundreds of thousands?
>>>> I'll tell you the answer to that: it's the same probability as guys like
>>>> Vinokourox and Kashechkin being on par with the best in the world
>>>> without dope and coming from a bull**** country like Make Glorios Nation
>>>> for Kazakstan.
>>> If I remember correctly Iceland, not one of the world's most populous
>>> country, had 7 chess grandmasters at one point, in particular, about
>>> the same as the USA, France and the UK combined (the last two had zero
>>> at that time). I have yet to hear of doping for the brain, if you know
>>> of any such method, please tell me!
>>> -ilan
>> It's obviousd more people played chess in Iceland than in the U.S.
>> Otherwise you could not get those numbers.
>>
>> If you have 3 top-10 cyclists from a nation that's the size of ****ing
>> Rhode Island and the U.S. can't barely get one guy there, you have to
>> ask yourself what's causing that.
>>
>> And the answer is the same thing that allowed Spain and Kazakstan to win
>> so many Grand Tours.
>>
>> Pro Cycling and winning Grand Tours is a function of genetics. It
>> simply doesn't make sense that Luxenbourg would have 3 guys in the top
>> 10 unless they were dopers.
>
> Dumbass,
>
> Luxembourg is very small. So even if they all
> doped, and only a few percent of riders from
> France, Germany, the UK, and the US doped,
> it couldn't explain why Luxembourg is beating
> the shorts off those countries. Obviously, there
> are only two possibilities:
>
> 1. Luxembourg really has a much larger
> population, perhaps it is the iceberg-tip of a
> much larger underground kingdom. This
> probably doesn't work because the riders
> wouldn't be able to train on the roads.

They use tunnels in their underground warrens to train. That CERN
accelerator thing [1] is really an excuse to build a underground "long
course." Large fans are used to simulate headwinds. Magnetic fields
simulate mountain grades, though this requires the use of steel frames.
And you thought they wanted those superconducting electromagnets for
particle physics!

[1]Not in Luxembourg, I know, but the Luxembourgers aren't the only ones.

Mark J.

[William Asher]

bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:

> 1. Luxembourg really has a much larger
> population, perhaps it is the iceberg-tip of a
> much larger underground kingdom. This
> probably doesn't work because the riders
> wouldn't be able to train on the roads.

But it would explain why they are good climbers since they have to
ride up the underground ramps to the surface every day to train. They
probably live like 10,000 feet underground, so that's a lot of extra work
they get in.

It could also be Luxembourg has decided to take over the world of cycling
as a path to world domination so they are breeding cyclists. Sort of like
how the Blanc Manges from Planet Skyron were going to take over the world
by turning everyone into Scotsmen so they could win Wimbledon, except
Luxembourg knew they couldn't turn everyone in the world into the worst TdF
riders, Frenchmen.

--
Bill Asher

[RicodJour]

On Jul 23, 9:33*pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
>
> If you look at the results of the Tour you see Americans won the most in
> the past 20 years. *After that was France. *This is consistent with the
> population statistics of each country.

Are you attributing that to the huge explosion in population in France
and the US twenty years ago, or the fact that you couldn't find your
ass with both hands?

R

[Claude]

>
> If you look at the results of the Tour you see Americans won the most in
> the past 20 years. After that was France. This is consistent with the
> population statistics of each country.
>
> When you see Luxenbourg and Kazakstan guys in the top 10 contending for
> the win, it's likely from doping because there's no way you would find
> those gems in the few riders who take up cycling in those countries
> (compared to the U.S.).
>
> It's a statistical fact.

Dumbarse

The results of the Olympics indicate there's much more to sporting success
than just population numbers. India with its enormous population gets
hardly any medals while some small countries like Australia get a very large
share of medals. Standards of living has something to do with it and
Government funding of sport has a lot to do with it.

[Donald Munro]

Mark wrote:
> They use tunnels in their underground warrens to train. That CERN
> accelerator thing [1] is really an excuse to build a underground "long
> course."

The perfect place for Magilla to improve his track cornering ability.

[RicodJour]

On Jul 23, 10:55*pm, William Asher <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> b...@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> > 1. Luxembourg really has a much larger
> > population, perhaps it is the iceberg-tip of a
> > much larger underground kingdom. *This
> > probably doesn't work because the riders
> > wouldn't be able to train on the roads.
>
> But it would explain why they are good climbers since they have to
> ride up the underground ramps to the surface every day to train. *They
> probably live like 10,000 feet underground, so that's a lot of extra work
> they get in. *

Which raises, or lowers, an interesting point. If training at
altitude can provide an advantage, do the Morlocks...sorry...Schlecks
have an unfair advantage training at depth? Is Millar's "sun allergy"
really attributable to being part of the Luxembourganianers program,
living underground and losing tolerance for sunlight?

R

[Donald Munro]

William Asher wrote:
> It could also be Luxembourg has decided to take over the world of cycling
> as a path to world domination so they are breeding cyclists.

Yet Another Liberal Plot for Kunich to agonize over.

[Nobody]

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:55:39 -0700 (PDT), Scott
<hendricks_scott@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Jul 23, 1:35*pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Nobody wrote:
>> > You're abusing sarcasm
>>
>> You've got to have a minimum and a maximum value when calibrating
>> a sarcasmmeter.
>
>Since when is sarcasm measured on a sliding scale? It's either
>sarcastic or it's not. :->

Statistically, it's a rolling average.

[Davey Crockett]

"Claude" a écrit profondement:

| Dumbarse
|
| The results of the Olympics indicate there's much more to sporting success
| than just population numbers. India with its enormous population gets
| hardly any medals while some small countries like Australia get a very large
| share of medals. Standards of living has something to do with it and
| Government funding of sport has a lot to do with it.
|
|

AIS (Oz Institute of Sport)

.... and compare Canada when Iona Campagnolo was Minister of Sport, the
Govvy just poured Roubles into sport at all levels. Trudeau was
Bonking Iona which was the reason she had a ridiculously high budget,
but it sure poduced results.

--
Davey Crockett

[Amit Ghosh]

On Jul 24, 1:15 am, Davey Crockett <r...@azurservers.com> wrote:

> ... and compare Canada when Iona Campagnolo was Minister of Sport, the
> Govvy just poured Roubles into sport at all levels. Trudeau was
> Bonking Iona which was the reason she had a ridiculously high budget,
> but it sure poduced results.
>

dumbass,

you know what else produced results ? systematic doping, which
canadian track and field had in place in the 80s, but was wiped out
after ben johnson's positive test and the dubbin inquiry.

[Davey Crockett]

Amit Ghosh a écrit profondement:

| On Jul 24, 1:15 am, Davey Crockett <r...@azurservers.com> wrote:
|
| > ... and compare Canada when Iona Campagnolo was Minister of Sport, the
| > Govvy just poured Roubles into sport at all levels. Trudeau was
| > Bonking Iona which was the reason she had a ridiculously high budget,
| > but it sure poduced results.
| >
|
| dumbass,
|
| you know what else produced results ? systematic doping, which
| canadian track and field had in place in the 80s, but was wiped out
| after ben johnson's positive test and the dubbin inquiry.

Right.

Davey is sorry about that.

Stieda, Bauer, Walton, Sydor, Hughes, Dubnicoff, et alii were all
doped up to their eyeballs.

But Gènèvieve was clean as a whistle

--
Davey Crockett

[Tom Kunich]

"Davey Crockett" <rec@azurservers.com> wrote in message
news:87d4l34yej.fsf@azurservers.com...
> Amit Ghosh a écrit profondement:
> | you know what else produced results ? systematic doping, which
> | canadian track and field had in place in the 80s, but was wiped out
> | after ben johnson's positive test and the dubbin inquiry.
>
> Right.
>
> Davey is sorry about that.
>
> Stieda, Bauer, Walton, Sydor, Hughes, Dubnicoff, et alii were all
> doped up to their eyeballs.
>
> But Gènèvieve was clean as a whistle

Davey, you know that most of the people here can't detect sarcasm.

[Stu Fleming]

Donald Munro wrote:
> phillip brown wrote:
>> What the hell else is there to do in Iceland?
>
> <http://www.real-iceland.com/sex>
>

I remember the stories that came back after the Scottish football team
played in Reyjavik one year. The girls were lined up at the airport for
the incoming flight of fans who couldn't believe their luck...

[William Asher]

Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:48883f54$0$5971$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.c om:

> William Asher wrote:
>> It could also be Luxembourg has decided to take over the world of
>> cycling as a path to world domination so they are breeding cyclists.
>
> Yet Another Liberal Plot for Kunich to agonize over.
>

Life is a liberal plot.

--
Bill Asher