Lotto..why no climbers in support?

[steve]

OK, so you know you've got the TdF favorite on your team, but you dont have
any climbers to help him when it counts. Why not go shopping for one? I
mean, it's only the TdF.

If Evans had a climber to help him today, he could have sat on that mans
wheel at a steady pace while the others played games. Anyone who's done any
climbing knows how much harder it is to follow attacks than to ride a
constant tempo. Evans was heroic today under very difficult circumstances.
He has earned the win, which I hope he will secure on Saturday. His team
has been largely absent. I feel for him.

CSC is a powerhouse. Sastre has been given every advantage, but will likely
lose anyway. Could be close, though. Seconds, maybe. LeMond/Fignon
anyone?

steve
--
"History is a lie agreed upon." --Napoleon

[Donald Munro]

steve wrote:
> OK, so you know you've got the TdF favorite on your team, but you dont
> have any climbers to help him when it counts. Why not go shopping for
> one? I mean, it's only the TdF.

Popovych was supposed to be the man but he left his refrigerator at home.

[ST]

On 7/23/08 12:31 PM, in article INednYlDbP-EGhrVnZ2dnUVZ_oninZ2d@rcn.net,
"steve" <steve@steve.com> wrote:

> OK, so you know you've got the TdF favorite on your team, but you dont have
> any climbers to help him when it counts. Why not go shopping for one? I
> mean, it's only the TdF.
>
> If Evans had a climber to help him today, he could have sat on that mans
> wheel at a steady pace while the others played games. Anyone who's done any
> climbing knows how much harder it is to follow attacks than to ride a
> constant tempo. Evans was heroic today under very difficult circumstances.
> He has earned the win, which I hope he will secure on Saturday. His team
> has been largely absent. I feel for him.
>
> CSC is a powerhouse. Sastre has been given every advantage, but will likely
> lose anyway. Could be close, though. Seconds, maybe. LeMond/Fignon
> anyone?
>
> steve



Evans has turned out to be the Erik Zabel of GC

[Scott]

On Jul 23, 1:38*pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> steve wrote:
> > OK, so you know you've got the TdF favorite on your team, but you dont
> > have any climbers to help him when it counts. *Why not go shopping for
> > one? *I mean, it's only the TdF.
>
> Popovych was supposed to be the man but he left his refrigerator at home.

I bet he (Evans) wishes he'd campaigned a bit harder to keep Horner on
the team.

[Krusty]

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:38:17 +0200, Donald Munro
<fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote:


>
>Popovych was supposed to be the man but he left his refrigerator at home.

Didn't that happen to Armstrong one year too?

[Howard Kveck]

In article <488788a8$0$5973$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com>,
Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote:

> steve wrote:
> > OK, so you know you've got the TdF favorite on your team, but you dont
> > have any climbers to help him when it counts. Why not go shopping for
> > one? I mean, it's only the TdF.
>
> Popovych was supposed to be the man but he left his refrigerator at home.

It appears he left it at the Passo Stelvio training camp that Lotto had him do
before the race.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2008/tour08/news/?id=/news/2008/jul08/jul23news

(scroll down).

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[phillip brown]

On Jul 24, 5:38*am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> steve wrote:
> > OK, so you know you've got the TdF favorite on your team, but you dont
> > have any climbers to help him when it counts. *Why not go shopping for
> > one? *I mean, it's only the TdF.
>
> Popovychwas supposed to be the man but he left his refrigerator at home.

No, the problem is that Silence-Lotto can't afford to stock the fridge
anywhere near as well as Discovery Channel could.

With Discovery Channel
2005 12th on GC and White Jersey winner, 1 stage win
2006 24th on GC, 1 stage win
2007 8th on GC and 3rd on KOM, 2 top ten finishes
With Silence-Lotto
2008 rubbish

phillip brown

[Kurgan Gringioni]

On Jul 23, 3:05*pm, ST <sdst...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 7/23/08 12:31 PM, in article INednYlDbP-EGhrVnZ2dnUVZ_onin...@rcn.net,
>
>
>
>
>
> "steve" <st...@steve.com> wrote:
> > OK, so you know you've got the TdF favorite on your team, but you dont have
> > any climbers to help him when it counts. *Why not go shopping for one? *I
> > mean, it's only the TdF.
>
> > If Evans had a climber to help him today, he could have sat on that mans
> > wheel at a steady pace while the others played games. *Anyone who's done any
> > climbing knows how much harder it is to follow attacks than to ride a
> > constant tempo. Evans was heroic today under very difficult circumstances.
> > He has earned the win, which I hope he will secure on Saturday. *His team
> > has been largely absent. *I feel for him.
>
> > CSC is a powerhouse. *Sastre has been given every advantage, but will likely
> > lose anyway. *Could be close, though. *Seconds, maybe. *LeMond/Fignon
> > anyone?
>
> > steve
>
> Evans has turned out to be the Erik Zabel of GC




Dumbass -


He might still win. Sastre, Schleck and Kohl don't TT very well.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

[Keith]

>> Evans has turned out to be the Erik Zabel of GC
>
>Dumbass -
>
>
>He might still win. Sastre, Schleck and Kohl don't TT very well.

Numbnuts,

Actually it would be unlikely if he DIDN'T WIN !

Thanks,

keith

[Kurgan Gringioni]

On Jul 24, 3:57*pm, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> Evans has turned out to be the Erik Zabel of GC
>
> >Dumbass -
>
> >He might still win. Sastre, Schleck and Kohl don't TT very well.
>
> Numbnuts,
>
> Actually it would be unlikely if he DIDN'T WIN !
>
> Thanks,
>
> keith




Dumbass -


I don't know about that. I'd put it at even odds. Evans is better, but
Sastre has 1.5 minutes and there's that mythical power of the yellow
jersey.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

[ST]

On 7/24/08 7:40 PM, in article
32c3859b-fda1-4521-ae73-1216927161fd@z26g2000pre.googlegroups.com, "Kurgan
Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 24, 3:57*pm, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> Evans has turned out to be the Erik Zabel of GC
>>
>>> Dumbass -
>>
>>> He might still win. Sastre, Schleck and Kohl don't TT very well.
>>
>> Numbnuts,
>>
>> Actually it would be unlikely if he DIDN'T WIN !
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> keith
>
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
>
> I don't know about that. I'd put it at even odds. Evans is better, but
> Sastre has 1.5 minutes and there's that mythical power of the yellow
> jersey.
>
>
> thanks,
>
> K. Gringioni.


Note!!

Last year at the tour, Stage 19, 55K ITT. Cadel beat Carlos by 2:04!!!!


The power of the Yellow versus the power to WANT the Yellow!!
Carlos has the benefit of going last.

He beat Carlos by 1:15 at the 29K ITT of Stage 8.

[Kurgan Gringioni]

On Jul 24, 9:11*pm, ST <sdst...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 7/24/08 7:40 PM, in article
> 32c3859b-fda1-4521-ae73-121692716...@z26g2000pre.googlegroups.com, "Kurgan
>
>
>
>
>
> Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 24, 3:57*pm, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >>>> Evans has turned out to be the Erik Zabel of GC
>
> >>> Dumbass -
>
> >>> He might still win. Sastre, Schleck and Kohl don't TT very well.
>
> >> Numbnuts,
>
> >> Actually it would be unlikely if he DIDN'T WIN !
>
> >> Thanks,
>
> >> keith
>
> > Dumbass -
>
> > I don't know about that. I'd put it at even odds. Evans is better, but
> > Sastre has 1.5 minutes and there's that mythical power of the yellow
> > jersey.
>
> > thanks,
>
> > K. Gringioni.
>
> Note!!
>
> Last year at the tour, Stage 19, 55K ITT. Cadel beat Carlos by 2:04!!!!
>
> The power of the Yellow versus the power to WANT the Yellow!!




Dumbass -


Evans has never demonstrated an indomitable will to win. Where was his
"WANT the Yellow!!" last year? It was nowhere to be found. He couldn't
catch Contador. Levi beat him by 51 seconds and came 8 seconds away
from taking 2nd.

Evans isn't Eddy Merckx. He's not even LANCE armstrong.

To me it's even odds.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

[Stu Fleming]

ST wrote:

> The power of the Yellow versus the power to WANT the Yellow!!
> Carlos has the benefit of going last.
>
> He beat Carlos by 1:15 at the 29K ITT of Stage 8.
>

Leif Hoste will be providing the time markers for Cadel.
Who does Sastre have to follow on CSC? Cancellara. Hmmm, interesting.

[Bob Schwartz]

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> Evans has never demonstrated an indomitable will to win. Where was his
> "WANT the Yellow!!" last year? It was nowhere to be found. He couldn't
> catch Contador. Levi beat him by 51 seconds and came 8 seconds away
> from taking 2nd.
>
> Evans isn't Eddy Merckx. He's not even LANCE armstrong.
>
> To me it's even odds.

I agree.

Time trials in the last weeks of grand tours are not events where
everyone leaves it on the road. There are three classes of riders
that do:

- Riders looking for a stage win.
- Riders competing for a podium spot.
- Riders worried about the time cut.

There may be guys that are looking to move up a spot or two near
the top ten. But for the most part, guys just want to look good
and get it over with.

In the second TT last year, Evans was 1:50 away from yellow. Sastre
was in fourth place, 3:13 behind Levi and 4:12 behind Evans. He's
got 27 seconds on Zubeldia who is his only threat. Valverde is next
and he's 3:49 back.

So Sastre is keeping an eye on the guy in front of him. He really
had no reason to cough up a lung in that race, especially since
Zubeldia didn't go that fast. Evans did have a reason to leave it
all on the road, and he didn't deliver.

Zubeldia finished about 4 minutes back. And surprise! Sastre went
a little bit faster. Maybe he could have gone a lot faster, maybe
not. But he had no reason to.

I think the guys that are looking at last year's TT and projecting
it to this year are retards. The finish will be very close, but I
think Sastre will surprise people.

Bob Schwartz

[ST]

On 7/24/08 11:45 PM, in article
99728d95-6f5e-48f9-9591-913168eedbf9@i24g2000prf.googlegroups.com, "Kurgan
Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 24, 9:11*pm, ST <sdst...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 7/24/08 7:40 PM, in article
>> 32c3859b-fda1-4521-ae73-121692716...@z26g2000pre.googlegroups.com, "Kurgan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Jul 24, 3:57*pm, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Evans has turned out to be the Erik Zabel of GC
>>
>>>>> Dumbass -
>>
>>>>> He might still win. Sastre, Schleck and Kohl don't TT very well.
>>
>>>> Numbnuts,
>>
>>>> Actually it would be unlikely if he DIDN'T WIN !
>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>
>>>> keith
>>
>>> Dumbass -
>>
>>> I don't know about that. I'd put it at even odds. Evans is better, but
>>> Sastre has 1.5 minutes and there's that mythical power of the yellow
>>> jersey.
>>
>>> thanks,
>>
>>> K. Gringioni.
>>
>> Note!!
>>
>> Last year at the tour, Stage 19, 55K ITT. Cadel beat Carlos by 2:04!!!!
>>
>> The power of the Yellow versus the power to WANT the Yellow!!
>
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
>
> Evans has never demonstrated an indomitable will to win. Where was his
> "WANT the Yellow!!" last year? It was nowhere to be found. He couldn't
> catch Contador. Levi beat him by 51 seconds and came 8 seconds away
> from taking 2nd.
>
> Evans isn't Eddy Merckx. He's not even LANCE armstrong.
>
> To me it's even odds.
>
>
> thanks,
>
> K. Gringioni.


Keep whining assbag! Most racers would love to be as good as Cadel. He may
turn out to be the Zabel of GC. IF he wins you can kiss my ass!
Nevermind...you might enjoy it too much.

[Howard Kveck]

In article <3b6d9b88-1a59-40ce-9676-0bc1892b2186@p10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
phillip brown <pjbrown@people.net.au> wrote:

> On Jul 24, 5:38*am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > steve wrote:
> > > OK, so you know you've got the TdF favorite on your team, but you dont
> > > have any climbers to help him when it counts. *Why not go shopping for
> > > one? *I mean, it's only the TdF.
> >
> > Popovychwas supposed to be the man but he left his refrigerator at home.
>
> No, the problem is that Silence-Lotto can't afford to stock the fridge
> anywhere near as well as Discovery Channel could.

It had nothing to do with fridge stocking as Popovych said that the mountain
training camp that his team had him do just before the Tour was bad for him.
Apparently, riding up the Stelvio a bunch of times can wear you out. Who knew?

Go to:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2008/tour08/news/?id=/news/2008/jul08/jul23news

and scroll down for the story.

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[already5chosen@yahoo.com]

On Jul 25, 9:30 am, Stu Fleming <stew...@wic.co.nz> wrote:
> ST wrote:
> > The power of the Yellow versus the power to WANT the Yellow!!
> > Carlos has the benefit of going last.
>
> > He beat Carlos by 1:15 at the 29K ITT of Stage 8.
>
> Leif Hoste will be providing the time markers for Cadel.
> Who does Sastre have to follow on CSC? Cancellara. Hmmm, interesting.

More likely, Voigt and Gustov.
Cancellara is
A. Too strong
B. Starts too early
C. Will be allowed to run for stage win

[Nobody]

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:03:43 -0500, Bob Schwartz
<bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>Time trials in the last weeks of grand tours are not events where
>everyone leaves it on the road. There are three classes of riders
>that do:
>
>- Riders looking for a stage win.
>- Riders competing for a podium spot.
>- Riders worried about the time cut.
>
>There may be guys that are looking to move up a spot or two near
>the top ten. But for the most part, guys just want to look good
>and get it over with.
>
>In the second TT last year, Evans was 1:50 away from yellow. Sastre
>was in fourth place, 3:13 behind Levi and 4:12 behind Evans. He's
>got 27 seconds on Zubeldia who is his only threat. Valverde is next
>and he's 3:49 back.
>
>So Sastre is keeping an eye on the guy in front of him. He really
>had no reason to cough up a lung in that race, especially since
>Zubeldia didn't go that fast. Evans did have a reason to leave it
>all on the road, and he didn't deliver.
>
>Zubeldia finished about 4 minutes back. And surprise! Sastre went
>a little bit faster. Maybe he could have gone a lot faster, maybe
>not. But he had no reason to.
>
>I think the guys that are looking at last year's TT and projecting
>it to this year are retards. The finish will be very close, but I
>think Sastre will surprise people.
>
>Bob Schwartz

Brilliant. I am subscribing to this newsletter of yours.

[Stu Fleming]

Bob Schwartz wrote:

> There may be guys that are looking to move up a spot or two near
> the top ten. But for the most part, guys just want to look good
> and get it over with.

And there's our dating advice for this week...
In other news: "force des bras" doesn't mean that you take it off
without unhooking it...

[Morten Reippuert Knudsen]

On 2008-07-25 17:03:43 +0200, Bob Schwartz
<bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> said:

> I think the guys that are looking at last year's TT and projecting
> it to this year are retards. The finish will be very close, but I
> think Sastre will surprise people.

Vuelta 2007, 22km a tired Evans only beat Sastre with 22 seconds. Evans
had 2 and 3 place within his reach.

Sastre and Vandevelde where equal.
--
mvh. Morten Reippuert Knudsen

"Besides, if you can't get a decent kernal panic
or two in a month, what's the point of living?"

[Morten Reippuert Knudsen]

On 2008-07-25 17:03:43 +0200, Bob Schwartz
<bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> said:

> I think the guys that are looking at last year's TT and projecting
> it to this year are retards. The finish will be very close, but I
> think Sastre will surprise people.

Vuelta stage 8 a fresh Evans beat Sastre with 37 seconds over flat 55km TT.

It will be very close.
--
mvh. Morten Reippuert Knudsen

"Besides, if you can't get a decent kernal panic
or two in a month, what's the point of living?"

[Bob Schwartz]

Nobody wrote:
> Brilliant. I am subscribing to this newsletter of yours.

The rbr@topica.com listserv. All the cool kids are there.

Bob Schwartz

[Nobody]

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:51:30 -0500, Bob Schwartz
<bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Nobody wrote:
>> Brilliant. I am subscribing to this newsletter of yours.
>
>The rbr@topica.com listserv. All the cool kids are there.
>
>Bob Schwartz

Thanks, I looked but don't see it under 'cycling|racing'.

a listserv request got nothing?

[Davey Crockett]

Nobody a écrit profondement:

| rbr@topica.com

You were trolled

Telnetting in and attempting to see what happened I got

Result ANTISPAM
Log Connect:
Get MX for topica.com... OK.
Connect to inmta001.topica.com... OK
= 220 infilter.topica.com ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU)
> EHLO mail.com
= 250-infilter.topica.com
250-PIPELINING
250-SIZE 5242880
250-ETRN
250-STARTTLS
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
250-8BITMIME
250 DSN
> MAIL FROM: <info@mail.com>
= 250 2.1.0 Ok
> RCPT TO: <rbr@topica.com>
= 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [71.18.216.56] blocked
using zen.spamhaus.org;
http://www.spamhaus.org/query/bl?ip=71.18.216.56
> QUIT

--
Davey Crockett

[Nobody]

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:25:34 +0200, Davey Crockett
<rec@azurservers.com> wrote:

>Nobody a écrit profondement:
>
>| rbr@topica.com
>
>You were trolled
>
>Telnetting in and attempting to see what happened I got
>
>Result ANTISPAM
>Log Connect:
>Get MX for topica.com... OK.
>Connect to inmta001.topica.com... OK
>= 220 infilter.topica.com ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU)
>> EHLO mail.com
>= 250-infilter.topica.com
>250-PIPELINING
>250-SIZE 5242880
>250-ETRN
>250-STARTTLS
>250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
>250-8BITMIME
>250 DSN
>> MAIL FROM: <info@mail.com>
>= 250 2.1.0 Ok
>> RCPT TO: <rbr@topica.com>
>= 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [71.18.216.56] blocked
>using zen.spamhaus.org;
>http://www.spamhaus.org/query/bl?ip=71.18.216.56
>> QUIT

Well as a troll it's an epic FAIL

There are a bunch of cycle racing groups there at tropica and I do
know where Ewoud. Bob, Howard, Michael and Tim and the guys post at a
certain forum.


Note to Bob:(the above is a better troll, since it's just the feed of
rbr)

[Bob Schwartz]

Nobody wrote:
> Well as a troll it's an epic FAIL
>
> There are a bunch of cycle racing groups there at tropica and I do
> know where Ewoud. Bob, Howard, Michael and Tim and the guys post at a
> certain forum.
>
>
> Note to Bob:(the above is a better troll, since it's just the feed of
> rbr)

Dumbass,

[Kyle Legate]

Nobody wrote:
>
>
> Well as a troll it's an epic FAIL
>
Failing to recognize the meme is an epic FAIL.

[Nobody]

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:28:30 -0500, Bob Schwartz
<bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Nobody wrote:
>> Well as a troll it's an epic FAIL
>>
>> There are a bunch of cycle racing groups there at tropica and I do
>> know where Ewoud. Bob, Howard, Michael and Tim and the guys post at a
>> certain forum.
>>
>>
>> Note to Bob:(the above is a better troll, since it's just the feed of
>> rbr)
>
>Dumbass,

Proto-dumbass.


Truth is, Bob spots Zabel IRL and develops a large, expanding wet
spot and isn't saying ****e. So STFU, noob.
;)

[Bob Schwartz]

Nobody wrote:
> So STFU, noob.

If you were one of the cool kids. You'd get the joke.

Bob Schwartz

[Nobody]

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:46:25 -0500, Bob Schwartz
<bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Nobody wrote:
>> So STFU, noob.
>
>If you were one of the cool kids. You'd get the joke.
>
>Bob Schwartz

proto-Dumbass

[phillip brown]

On Jul 26, 11:31*am, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> In article <3b6d9b88-1a59-40ce-9676-0bc1892b2...@p10g2000prf.googlegroups..com>,
> *phillip brown <pjbr...@people.net.au> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 24, 5:38*am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > steve wrote:
> > > > OK, so you know you've got the TdF favorite on your team, but you dont
> > > > have any climbers to help him when it counts. *Why not go shopping for
> > > > one? *I mean, it's only the TdF.
>
> > > Popovychwas supposed to be the man but he left his refrigerator at home.
>
> > No, the problem is that Silence-Lotto can't afford to stock the fridge
> > anywhere near as well as Discovery Channel could.
>
> * *It had nothing to do with fridge stocking as Popovych said that the mountain
> training camp that his team had him do just before the Tour was bad for him.
> Apparently, riding up the Stelvio a bunch of times can wear you out. Who knew?
>
> * *Go to:http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2008/tour08/news/?id=/news/2008/jul08...
>
> and scroll down for the story.
>
> --
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * tanx,
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Howard
>
> * * * * * * * * * *The bloody pubs are bloody dull
> * * * * * * * * * *The bloody clubs are bloody full
> * * * * * * * * * *Of bloody girls and bloody guys
> * * * * * * * * * *With bloody murder in their eyes
>
> * * * * * * * * * * *remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

That's his story and he's sticking to it.

phillip brown

[Nobody]

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:45:22 +0200, Kyle Legate <legatek@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Nobody wrote:
>>
>>
>> Well as a troll it's an epic FAIL
>>
>Failing to recognize the meme is an epic FAIL.

I blame Ilian