Rock Racing's wandering bike choices

[Ryan Cousineau]

Quick question, no googling: what bike company sponsors Rock Racing?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=/tech/2008/news/09-11

As mentioned, there it is on their jersey...

<http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2008/sep08/britain08/index.php?id=/pho
tos/2008/sep08/britain08/britain082/TOBStg2_GMcP05>

Not sure if this technically counts as cheating on their current deal
with the de Rosa importer, but seriously folks, isn't Fuji a little bit
too uncool for Rock Racing?

Pinarello, maybe. Pegoretti, sure. But mass-market Fuji? Hm.

How long can Ball resist the tempatation to do a house brand of
bicycles, a la the first year of Toyota-United?

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

[Howard Kveck]

In article <rcousine-C4036D.23394811092008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]>,
Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@gmail.com> wrote:

> Quick question, no googling: what bike company sponsors Rock Racing?
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=/tech/2008/news/09-11
>
> As mentioned, there it is on their jersey...
>
> <http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2008/sep08/britain08/index.php?id=/pho
> tos/2008/sep08/britain08/britain082/TOBStg2_GMcP05>
>
> Not sure if this technically counts as cheating on their current deal
> with the de Rosa importer, but seriously folks, isn't Fuji a little bit
> too uncool for Rock Racing?
>
> Pinarello, maybe. Pegoretti, sure. But mass-market Fuji? Hm.
>
> How long can Ball resist the tempatation to do a house brand of
> bicycles, a la the first year of Toyota-United?

Remember that he did try to have some house brand wheels made earlier this year.
Anyway, this doesn't look too bad:

<http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=/photos/2008/tech/news/09-11/JD_08TOMstg3-299>

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[Donald Munro]

Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> Not sure if this technically counts as cheating on their current deal with
> the de Rosa importer, but seriously folks, isn't Fuji a little bit too
> uncool for Rock Racing?
>
> Pinarello, maybe. Pegoretti, sure. But mass-market Fuji? Hm.
>
> How long can Ball resist the tempatation to do a house brand of bicycles,
> a la the first year of Toyota-United?

Or one of those Ferrari Colnagos.

[zzfranklin@mac.com]

On Sep 11, 11:39*pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Quick question, no googling: what bike company sponsors Rock Racing?
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=/tech/2008/news/09-11
>
> As mentioned, there it is on their jersey...
>
> <http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2008/sep08/britain08/index.php?id=/pho
> tos/2008/sep08/britain08/britain082/TOBStg2_GMcP05>
>
> Not sure if this technically counts as cheating on their current deal
> with the de Rosa importer, but seriously folks, isn't Fuji a little bit
> too uncool for Rock Racing?
>
> Pinarello, maybe. Pegoretti, sure. But mass-market Fuji? Hm.
>
> How long can Ball resist the tempatation to do a house brand of
> bicycles, a la the first year of Toyota-United?
>
> --
> Ryan Cousineau rcous...@gmail.comhttp://www.wiredcola.com/
> "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
> "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

For the most part racing bikes are all the same. If Rock is rolling
with Fuji it's cool.

[LawBoy01]

I will just say this. My friend Hans Schneider is a custom
framebuilder in Huntsville, Texas. He also does frame repair for a
lot of manufacturers and importers. Trialtir in Houston recently sent
him a bunch of Rock Racing green-and-black De Rosa Idols to remove the
decals because Ball backed out of a deal with Trialtir for the
importation and sale of De Rosa Idol RR team model framesets for sale
in the U.S. The framesets will remain green and black, but Hans is
removing the Rock Racing decals and is going to be doing something
else with the area where the decals used to be. I don't know what
Trialtir will do with the frames when he's done.

[SLAVE of THE STATE]

On Sep 11, 11:39*pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Not sure if this technically counts as cheating on their current deal
> with the de Rosa importer, but seriously folks, isn't Fuji a little bit
> too uncool for Rock Racing?
>
> Pinarello, maybe. Pegoretti, sure. But mass-market Fuji? Hm.

It's not about the bike, but it is important to choose the right water
bottle cage and frame pump.

[Bill C]

On Sep 12, 3:34*am, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> In article <rcousine-C4036D.23394811092008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]>,
> *Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Quick question, no googling: what bike company sponsors Rock Racing?
>
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=/tech/2008/news/09-11
>
> > As mentioned, there it is on their jersey...
>
> > <http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2008/sep08/britain08/index.php?id=/pho
> > tos/2008/sep08/britain08/britain082/TOBStg2_GMcP05>
>
> > Not sure if this technically counts as cheating on their current deal
> > with the de Rosa importer, but seriously folks, isn't Fuji a little bit
> > too uncool for Rock Racing?
>
> > Pinarello, maybe. Pegoretti, sure. But mass-market Fuji? Hm.
>
> > How long can Ball resist the tempatation to do a house brand of
> > bicycles, a la the first year of Toyota-United?
>
> * *Remember that he did try to have some house brand wheels made earlier this year.
> Anyway, this doesn't look too bad:
>
> <http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=/photos/2008/tech/news/09-11/J....>
>
> --
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * tanx,
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Howard
>
> * * * * * * * * * *The bloody pubs are bloody dull
> * * * * * * * * * *The bloody clubs are bloody full
> * * * * * * * * * *Of bloody girls and bloody guys
> * * * * * * * * * *With bloody murder in their eyes
>
> * * * * * * * * * * *remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
That's pretty cool, sort of the Arlen Ness school of bicycles.
Bill C

[raamman@gmail.com]

On Sep 12, 2:10*pm, LawBoy01 <philip_w_moore...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I will just say this. *My friend Hans Schneider is a custom
> framebuilder in Huntsville, Texas. *He also does frame repair for a
> lot of manufacturers and importers. *Trialtir in Houston recently sent
> him a bunch of Rock Racing green-and-black De Rosa Idols to remove the
> decals because Ball backed out of a deal with Trialtir for the
> importation and sale of De Rosa Idol RR team model framesets for sale
> in the U.S. *The framesets will remain green and black, but Hans is
> removing the Rock Racing decals and is going to be doing something
> else with the area where the decals used to be. *I don't know what
> Trialtir will do with the frames when he's done.

those fuji's look pretty decient, but I though rock were riding
cadillacs.....

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article
<05f7d4be-ad05-4f0a-a743-d7daf4b0f7c8@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
LawBoy01 <philip_w_moore_jr@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I will just say this. My friend Hans Schneider is a custom
> framebuilder in Huntsville, Texas. He also does frame repair for a
> lot of manufacturers and importers. Trialtir in Houston recently sent
> him a bunch of Rock Racing green-and-black De Rosa Idols to remove the
> decals because Ball backed out of a deal with Trialtir for the
> importation and sale of De Rosa Idol RR team model framesets for sale
> in the U.S. The framesets will remain green and black, but Hans is
> removing the Rock Racing decals and is going to be doing something
> else with the area where the decals used to be. I don't know what
> Trialtir will do with the frames when he's done.

Interesting. Thanks for the note. It does mention in one of the
Cyclingnews articles that Rock's deal was with Trialtir, not De Rosa.

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article
<3c98ef2f-82d2-4bdb-a6f5-902d5d243ae0@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
raamman@gmail.com wrote:

> On Sep 12, 2:10*pm, LawBoy01 <philip_w_moore...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I will just say this. *My friend Hans Schneider is a custom
> > framebuilder in Huntsville, Texas. *He also does frame repair for a
> > lot of manufacturers and importers. *Trialtir in Houston recently sent
> > him a bunch of Rock Racing green-and-black De Rosa Idols to remove the
> > decals because Ball backed out of a deal with Trialtir for the
> > importation and sale of De Rosa Idol RR team model framesets for sale
> > in the U.S. *The framesets will remain green and black, but Hans is
> > removing the Rock Racing decals and is going to be doing something
> > else with the area where the decals used to be. *I don't know what
> > Trialtir will do with the frames when he's done.
>
> those fuji's look pretty decient, but I though rock were riding
> cadillacs.....

Ho, yeah! Good catch!

For the uninitiated, one strange bike licensing deal:

http://www.cadillacbicycles.com/ca_eliteroad.html

It's not a total shock that someone licensed the name to put on
bicycles. It's a bit of a shock that the bicycles it is on are not
completely hopeless.

Their dealer network is also odd: in the US it's mostly bike shops and
online, in Canada it's fairly evenly split between bike shops and . . .
Cadillac car dealerships.

BTW, it looks like they're about to release a NuVinci model.

Oh, and oh yes...

http://www.cadillacbicycles.com/urban-escalade.html

The Cadillac Escalade. BMX.

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

[OMC]

On Sep 12, 12:47*pm, raam...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 12, 2:10*pm, LawBoy01 <philip_w_moore...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I will just say this. *My friend Hans Schneider is a custom
> > framebuilder in Huntsville, Texas. *He also does frame repair for a
> > lot of manufacturers and importers. *Trialtir in Houston recently sent
> > him a bunch of Rock Racing green-and-black De Rosa Idols to remove the
> > decals because Ball backed out of a deal with Trialtir for the
> > importation and sale of De Rosa Idol RR team model framesets for sale
> > in the U.S. *The framesets will remain green and black, but Hans is
> > removing the Rock Racing decals and is going to be doing something
> > else with the area where the decals used to be. *I don't know what
> > Trialtir will do with the frames when he's done.
>
> those fuji's look pretty decient, but I though rock were riding
> cadillacs.....

The problem with the DeRosa's that Rock was using, they were pieces of
**** !!
Piss poor construction , broken or cracked Bottom bracket shells,
chain stays, etc.
The damn internal routing of cables didn't work, had to jury rig an
external cable routing system.
They were garbage !!! Some MFG need to stick with what they know and
DeRosa doesn't get it when it comes to Carbon.
Fuji may not have the Euro bling factor, but they make a good quality
and realible line of bikes.
So far the testing has gone well and gets a thumbs up from most of the
riders.
Ball certainly wasn't going to sign on to a deal with Trialtir/Derosa
when 75% of their bike have failed to this point.


OMC

[Donald Munro]

SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
> It's not about the bike, but it is important to choose the right water
> bottle cage and frame pump.

SOTS is going to upgrade the US constitution to ban compact frames
so he can still use his 80's frame pump.

[SLAVE of THE STATE]

On Sep 12, 12:36*pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
>
> > It's not about the bike, but it is important to choose the right water
> > bottle cage and frame pump.
>
> SOTS is going to upgrade the US constitution to ban compact frames
> so he can still use his 80's frame pump.

All true stuff except the 80's pump fan is Mr. Robert Schwartz.

I with send him Campy head or a yardstick to measure his pump.

[raamman@gmail.com]

On Sep 12, 2:36*pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
>
> > It's not about the bike, but it is important to choose the right water
> > bottle cage and frame pump.
>
> SOTS is going to upgrade the US constitution to ban compact frames
> so he can still use his 80's frame pump.

isn't that on the republican platform ?

[raamman@gmail.com]

On Sep 12, 4:59*pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article
> <3c98ef2f-82d2-4bdb-a6f5-902d5d243...@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>
> *raam...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sep 12, 2:10*pm, LawBoy01 <philip_w_moore...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > I will just say this. *My friend Hans Schneider is a custom
> > > framebuilder in Huntsville, Texas. *He also does frame repair for a
> > > lot of manufacturers and importers. *Trialtir in Houston recently sent
> > > him a bunch of Rock Racing green-and-black De Rosa Idols to remove the
> > > decals because Ball backed out of a deal with Trialtir for the
> > > importation and sale of De Rosa Idol RR team model framesets for sale
> > > in the U.S. *The framesets will remain green and black, but Hans is
> > > removing the Rock Racing decals and is going to be doing something
> > > else with the area where the decals used to be. *I don't know what
> > > Trialtir will do with the frames when he's done.
>
> > those fuji's look pretty decient, but I though rock were riding
> > cadillacs.....
>
> Ho, yeah! Good catch!
>
> For the uninitiated, one strange bike licensing deal:
>
> http://www.cadillacbicycles.com/ca_eliteroad.html
>
> It's not a total shock that someone licensed the name to put on
> bicycles. It's a bit of a shock that the bicycles it is on are not
> completely hopeless.
>
> Their dealer network is also odd: in the US it's mostly bike shops and
> online, in Canada it's fairly evenly split between bike shops and . . .
> Cadillac car dealerships.
>
> BTW, it looks like they're about to release a NuVinci model.
>
> Oh, and oh yes...
>
> http://www.cadillacbicycles.com/urban-escalade.html
>
> The Cadillac Escalade. BMX.
>
> --
> Ryan Cousineau rcous...@gmail.comhttp://www.wiredcola.com/
> "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
> "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

I was just making a quick jibe of the sponsor on their jersey- I was
unaware of the cadillac bike company ( even though I apparently have
ridden past their office many times)

[Bill C]

On Sep 12, 6:00*pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article
> <05f7d4be-ad05-4f0a-a743-d7daf4b0f...@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>
> *LawBoy01 <philip_w_moore...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I will just say this. *My friend Hans Schneider is a custom
> > framebuilder in Huntsville, Texas. *He also does frame repair for a
> > lot of manufacturers and importers. *Trialtir in Houston recently sent
> > him a bunch of Rock Racing green-and-black De Rosa Idols to remove the
> > decals because Ball backed out of a deal with Trialtir for the
> > importation and sale of De Rosa Idol RR team model framesets for sale
> > in the U.S. *The framesets will remain green and black, but Hans is
> > removing the Rock Racing decals and is going to be doing something
> > else with the area where the decals used to be. *I don't know what
> > Trialtir will do with the frames when he's done.
>
> Interesting. Thanks for the note. It does mention in one of the
> Cyclingnews articles that Rock's deal was with Trialtir, not De Rosa.
>
> --
> Ryan Cousineau rcous...@gmail.comhttp://www.wiredcola.com/
> "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
> "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

Speaking of cool, and a real eclectic framebuilder:

http://www.richardsachs.com/dvd.html


Imperfection is Perfection
A Film About Richard Sachs and his Bicycles

For nine months in 2007, film maker Des Horsfield made a documentary
about bicycle frame builder Richard Sachs.


No I don't work for him, just have a man crush on his bikes,
especially cross. He's also a great person, and seriously into finding
and promoting the perfect gourmet cupcake.
ATMO
Bill C

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article
<333638cc-0543-4d07-9b1d-9b38c18228f2@w1g2000prk.googlegroups.com>,
Bill C <tritonrider@verizon.net> wrote:

> On Sep 12, 6:00*pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <05f7d4be-ad05-4f0a-a743-d7daf4b0f...@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > *LawBoy01 <philip_w_moore...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > I will just say this. *My friend Hans Schneider is a custom
> > > framebuilder in Huntsville, Texas. *He also does frame repair for a
> > > lot of manufacturers and importers. *Trialtir in Houston recently sent
> > > him a bunch of Rock Racing green-and-black De Rosa Idols to remove the
> > > decals because Ball backed out of a deal with Trialtir for the
> > > importation and sale of De Rosa Idol RR team model framesets for sale
> > > in the U.S. *The framesets will remain green and black, but Hans is
> > > removing the Rock Racing decals and is going to be doing something
> > > else with the area where the decals used to be. *I don't know what
> > > Trialtir will do with the frames when he's done.
> >
> > Interesting. Thanks for the note. It does mention in one of the
> > Cyclingnews articles that Rock's deal was with Trialtir, not De Rosa.
> >
> > --
> > Ryan Cousineau rcous...@gmail.comhttp://www.wiredcola.com/
> > "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
> > "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."
>
> Speaking of cool, and a real eclectic framebuilder:
>
> http://www.richardsachs.com/dvd.html
>
>
> Imperfection is Perfection
> A Film About Richard Sachs and his Bicycles
>
> For nine months in 2007, film maker Des Horsfield made a documentary
> about bicycle frame builder Richard Sachs.
>
>
> No I don't work for him, just have a man crush on his bikes,
> especially cross. He's also a great person, and seriously into finding
> and promoting the perfect gourmet cupcake.
> ATMO

atmo, e-Richie may still read this forum. Of course, we all have
gargantuan bikesexual urges towards his idea of lugged steel
imperfection, but he's also stopped adding names to his very long
waiting list.

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

[Donald Munro]

OMC wrote:
> The problem with the DeRosa's that Rock was using, they were pieces of
> **** !!
> Piss poor construction , broken or cracked Bottom bracket shells, chain
> stays, etc.
> The damn internal routing of cables didn't work, had to jury rig an
> external cable routing system.
> They were garbage !!!

They should have got Bianchi. At least they have a decent warranty.

[Bill C]

On Sep 12, 10:04*pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> atmo, e-Richie may still read this forum. Of course, we all have
> gargantuan bikesexual urges towards his idea of lugged steel
> imperfection, but he's also stopped adding names to his very long
> waiting list.
>
> --
> Ryan Cousineau rcous...@gmail.comhttp://www.wiredcola.com/
> "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
> "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yeah, last I heard 6 years. There're pretty regular chances to pick up
the teams used bikes though.
Found out about the documentary when Adam mentioned he got his copy
the other day. Have to save the $40 bucks for some good beer, and Mug
Adam for his copy when he comes out to run CSI.
;-)
Bill C

[raamman@gmail.com]

On Sep 13, 2:16*am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> OMC wrote:
> > The problem with the DeRosa's that Rock was using, they were pieces of
> > **** !!
> > Piss poor construction , broken or cracked Bottom bracket shells, chain
> > stays, etc.
> > The damn internal routing of cables didn't work, had to jury rig an
> > external cable routing system.
> > They were garbage !!! *
>
> They should have got Bianchi. At least they have a decent warranty.

why not just pick up some chinese made bikes at the local walmart ?

[Carl Sundquist]

<raamman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:36f03d6d-6fde-46f3-a83c-1232361f2b50@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 13, 2:16 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> OMC wrote:
> > The problem with the DeRosa's that Rock was using, they were pieces of
> > **** !!
> > Piss poor construction , broken or cracked Bottom bracket shells, chain
> > stays, etc.
> > The damn internal routing of cables didn't work, had to jury rig an
> > external cable routing system.
> > They were garbage !!!
>
> They should have got Bianchi. At least they have a decent warranty.

why not just pick up some chinese made bikes at the local walmart ?
---------------------

Does DeRosa use Chinese/Taiwanese factories?

[LawBoy01]

On Sep 13, 8:28*am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Sep 12, 10:04*pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > atmo, e-Richie may still read this forum. Of course, we all have
> > gargantuan bikesexual urges towards his idea of lugged steel
> > imperfection, but he's also stopped adding names to his very long
> > waiting list.
>
> > --
> > Ryan Cousineau rcous...@gmail.comhttp://www.wiredcola.com/
> > "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
> > "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Yeah, last I heard 6 years. There're pretty regular chances to pick up
> the teams used bikes though.
> *Found out about the documentary when Adam mentioned he got his copy
> the other day. Have to save the $40 bucks for some good beer, and Mug
> Adam for his copy when he comes out to run CSI.
> ;-)
> Bill C

For $1,800-2,200 USD, you can have a custom lugged or fillet brazed
steel frameset made my Hans Schneider with a 2-3 month wait. Hans
made himself a semi-sloping fillet brazed frame with True Temper S3
steel that weighs 3 lbs (traditional specs would be 57 c-t with a 58.5
cm tt); his complete bike with EDCO/GP4 wheels, speedplays and off the
shelf bits weighs 16 lbs. My neuron frameset with Centaur, pedals and
Easton circuits weighs 19. With Gel 330s and edco hubs it's a hair
over 18, steel fork and all.

I like e-Ritchie's artisanship, but it doesn't do the pedaling for you.

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article
<4740fd79-1bb6-44ff-a4d6-e8c66be64370@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
LawBoy01 <philip_w_moore_jr@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Sep 13, 8:28*am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On Sep 12, 10:04*pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > atmo, e-Richie may still read this forum. Of course, we all have
> > > gargantuan bikesexual urges towards his idea of lugged steel
> > > imperfection, but he's also stopped adding names to his very long
> > > waiting list.
> >
> > > --
> > > Ryan Cousineau rcous...@gmail.comhttp://www.wiredcola.com/
> > > "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
> > > "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > Yeah, last I heard 6 years. There're pretty regular chances to pick up
> > the teams used bikes though.
> > *Found out about the documentary when Adam mentioned he got his copy
> > the other day. Have to save the $40 bucks for some good beer, and Mug
> > Adam for his copy when he comes out to run CSI.
> > ;-)
> > Bill C
>
> For $1,800-2,200 USD, you can have a custom lugged or fillet brazed
> steel frameset made my Hans Schneider with a 2-3 month wait. Hans
> made himself a semi-sloping fillet brazed frame with True Temper S3
> steel that weighs 3 lbs (traditional specs would be 57 c-t with a 58.5
> cm tt); his complete bike with EDCO/GP4 wheels, speedplays and off the
> shelf bits weighs 16 lbs. My neuron frameset with Centaur, pedals and
> Easton circuits weighs 19. With Gel 330s and edco hubs it's a hair
> over 18, steel fork and all.
>
> I like e-Ritchie's artisanship, but it doesn't do the pedaling for you.

Yes and yes, well... One does ultimately vote with one's wallet. I have
a pair of boring aluminum frames for my CX and road bike, plus a gaggle
of steel frames.

One obviously buys or rides a Sachs for reasons other than
performance-per-dollar, but it's not an indefensible choice.

You can think of Sachs frames as expensive by bike standards, or really
cheap given that they're quite possibly the nicest steel frames ever
made.

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"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article <1vTyk.9679$QF5.2767@newsfe08.iad>,
"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net> wrote:

> <raamman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:36f03d6d-6fde-46f3-a83c-1232361f2b50@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 13, 2:16 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > OMC wrote:
> > > The problem with the DeRosa's that Rock was using, they were pieces of
> > > **** !!
> > > Piss poor construction , broken or cracked Bottom bracket shells, chain
> > > stays, etc.
> > > The damn internal routing of cables didn't work, had to jury rig an
> > > external cable routing system.
> > > They were garbage !!!
> >
> > They should have got Bianchi. At least they have a decent warranty.
>
> why not just pick up some chinese made bikes at the local walmart ?
> ---------------------
>
> Does DeRosa use Chinese/Taiwanese factories?

They'd be fools not to.

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Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

[Bill C]

On Sep 14, 1:55*am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article
> <4740fd79-1bb6-44ff-a4d6-e8c66be64...@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> *LawBoy01 <philip_w_moore...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> > For $1,800-2,200 USD, you can have a custom lugged or fillet brazed
> > steel frameset made my Hans Schneider with a 2-3 month wait. *Hans
> > made himself a semi-sloping fillet brazed frame with True Temper S3
> > steel that weighs 3 lbs (traditional specs would be 57 c-t with a 58.5
> > cm tt); his complete bike with EDCO/GP4 wheels, speedplays and off the
> > shelf bits weighs 16 lbs. *My neuron frameset with Centaur, pedals and
> > Easton circuits weighs 19. *With Gel 330s and edco hubs it's a hair
> > over 18, steel fork and all.
>
> > I like e-Ritchie's artisanship, but it doesn't do the pedaling for you.
>
> Yes and yes, well... One does ultimately vote with one's wallet. I have
> a pair of boring aluminum frames for my CX and road bike, plus a gaggle
> of steel frames.
>
> One obviously buys or rides a Sachs for reasons other than
> performance-per-dollar, but it's not an indefensible choice.
>
> You can think of Sachs frames as expensive by bike standards, or really
> cheap given that they're quite possibly the nicest steel frames ever
> made.
>
> --
> Ryan Cousineau rcous...@gmail.comhttp://www.wiredcola.com/
> "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
> "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."- Hide quoted text -
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I'd still suck on either one, and have a Redline Conquest to ride
since that fit into the budget, but for me I'd buy a bike or two from
Richie in a heartbeat for lots of not racing related reasons.
He's an incredible craftsman, and that's something I love. He's
someone I know and like who's done a ton of really good things for
cycling and people without blowing his own horn. He's always there
when someone needs a hand, and he's semi-local and works in steel
which, being traditional makes me happy.
Lots of the same apply to IF. I love the way they go about things,
and do business. Great backstory too.:
http://www.ifbikes.com/who2/index.shtml
Bill C