Can Armstrong beat Contador ?

[Keith]

Not based on what he's been showing since the 2007 TDF, unless he
trounces him in the ITT.

Could be a replay of 85/86 between Lemond and Hinault...

Discuss.

[Scott]

On Sep 15, 5:08*am, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Not based on what he's been showing since the 2007 TDF, unless he
> trounces him in the ITT.
>
> Could be a replay of 85/86 between Lemond and Hinault...
>
> Discuss.

Armstrong would will him into submission. He has super-powers that he
uses only for evil, you know.

On a serious note, I don't think he could out-climb Contador, but I
think he could stay close to him. Hell, even Leipheimer has shown the
ability to stay with him.

As for the TT issue, hands-down Armstrong would crush him.

[SLAVE of THE STATE]

On Sep 15, 4:08*am, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Not based on what he's been showing since the 2007 TDF, unless he
> trounces him in the ITT.
>
> Could be a replay of 85/86 between Lemond and Hinault...
>
> Discuss.

Armstrong is only 37 yo, so he should have no problems.

[ronaldo_jeremiah]

No candyassing for me - beginning today, Lance will never finish ahead
of Contador in a Grand Tour GC.

-rj

[Carl Sundquist]

"Scott" <hendricks_scott@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4da30f50-1021-42b5-8e92-5440bfa345b2@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 15, 5:08 am, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Not based on what he's been showing since the 2007 TDF, unless he
> trounces him in the ITT.
>
> Could be a replay of 85/86 between Lemond and Hinault...
>
> Discuss.

Armstrong would will him into submission. He has super-powers that he
uses only for evil, you know.

On a serious note, I don't think he could out-climb Contador, but I
think he could stay close to him. Hell, even Leipheimer has shown the
ability to stay with him.
-----------------------------
Good point.

[Donald Munro]

Scott wrote:
> As for the TT issue, hands-down Armstrong would crush him.

At 37 in the 3rd week of a tour ?

[Mike Jacoubowsky]

>On a serious note, I don't think he could out-climb Contador, but I
>think he could stay close to him. Hell, even Leipheimer has shown the
>ability to stay with him.

That's a very good point. If the question were posed- "Could Levi beat Lance
in the 'Tour" I don't think there would be many betting on Levi. And Levi's
been very close to Contador. The tactical advantage (ride smarts) would
certainly be in Lance's favor; Lance has always had a very good handle on
knowing exactly what needed to be done to win.

One VD (Valverde Day) would kill either Lance or Contador, as the other
would seek maximum advantage.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA


"Scott" <hendricks_scott@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4da30f50-1021-42b5-8e92-5440bfa345b2@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 15, 5:08 am, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Not based on what he's been showing since the 2007 TDF, unless he
> trounces him in the ITT.
>
> Could be a replay of 85/86 between Lemond and Hinault...
>
> Discuss.

Armstrong would will him into submission. He has super-powers that he
uses only for evil, you know.

On a serious note, I don't think he could out-climb Contador, but I
think he could stay close to him. Hell, even Leipheimer has shown the
ability to stay with him.

As for the TT issue, hands-down Armstrong would crush him.

[Michael Press]

In article
<188313d9-d3f4-4186-bb16-bdb4c97d4413@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
ronaldo_jeremiah <ronaldo_jeremiah@yahoo.com> wrote:

> No candyassing for me - beginning today, Lance will never finish ahead
> of Contador in a Grand Tour GC.

I predict that a meteorite will strike the Earth if
Lance rides in another grand tour.

--
Michael Press

[Mark]

On Sep 15, 11:41�am, ronaldo_jeremiah <ronaldo_jerem...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> No candyassing for me - beginning today, Lance will never finish ahead
> of Contador in a Grand Tour GC.
>
> -rj

How many years on the cotract between Astana and Contador?

With a Tour de France victory under his belt last winter, Astana is
now probably paying Contador too much $'s to be playing second fiddle
to anyone, including Lance. And I seriously doubt that Contador would
be willing to take a pay cut to play Lieutenant to Lance in a contract
negotiations with two more Grand Tour victories this year.

[Ron Ruff]

Carl Sundquist wrote:
> think he could stay close to him. Hell, even Leipheimer has shown the
> ability to stay with him.

I want to see all three of them on different teams next year. Having
the top 3 guys on one team is just silly...

[Robert Chung]

Michael Press wrote:
> In article
> <188313d9-d3f4-4186-bb16-bdb4c97d4413@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> ronaldo_jeremiah <ronaldo_jeremiah@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> No candyassing for me - beginning today, Lance will never finish
>> ahead of Contador in a Grand Tour GC.
>
> I predict that a meteorite will strike the Earth if
> Lance rides in another grand tour.

I predict that a meteorite will strike the Earth whether or not LANCE rides
in another grand tour.

[Bob Schwartz]

Robert Chung wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
>> In article
>> <188313d9-d3f4-4186-bb16-bdb4c97d4413@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>> ronaldo_jeremiah <ronaldo_jeremiah@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> No candyassing for me - beginning today, Lance will never finish
>>> ahead of Contador in a Grand Tour GC.
>> I predict that a meteorite will strike the Earth if
>> Lance rides in another grand tour.
>
> I predict that a meteorite will strike the Earth whether or not LANCE rides
> in another grand tour.

Dumbass,

It's a 50-50 chance.

Bob Schwartz

[Donald Munro]

Michael Press wrote:
>>> I predict that a meteorite will strike the Earth if Lance rides in
>>> another grand tour.

Robert Chung wrote:
>> I predict that a meteorite will strike the Earth whether or not LANCE
>> rides in another grand tour.
>
Bob Schwartz wrote:
> It's a 50-50 chance.

****, I'd better sell my Lehman shares.

[Scott]

On Sep 15, 12:51*pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Scott wrote:
> > As for the TT issue, hands-down Armstrong would crush him.
>
> At 37 in the 3rd week of a tour ?

See my original post, with particular focus on the issue of super
powers. :->

[Carl Sundquist]

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
news:L6Azk.336$as4.255@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
> >On a serious note, I don't think he could out-climb Contador, but I
>>think he could stay close to him. Hell, even Leipheimer has shown the
>>ability to stay with him.
>
> That's a very good point. If the question were posed- "Could Levi beat
> Lance in the 'Tour" I don't think there would be many betting on Levi. And
> Levi's been very close to Contador. The tactical advantage (ride smarts)
> would certainly be in Lance's favor; Lance has always had a very good
> handle on knowing exactly what needed to be done to win.

I'm not saying the end result would be any different, but there's a certain
apples to oranges about that. Levi hasn't had the hyper-dedicated team
(riders, support staff, etc) focus entirely on him from day one. Levi has
had more "what ifs" within his own team to think about.

[Keith]

On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:54:26 -0500, "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net>
wrote:

>
>"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
>news:L6Azk.336$as4.255@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> >On a serious note, I don't think he could out-climb Contador, but I
>>>think he could stay close to him. Hell, even Leipheimer has shown the
>>>ability to stay with him.
>>
>> That's a very good point. If the question were posed- "Could Levi beat
>> Lance in the 'Tour" I don't think there would be many betting on Levi. And
>> Levi's been very close to Contador. The tactical advantage (ride smarts)
>> would certainly be in Lance's favor; Lance has always had a very good
>> handle on knowing exactly what needed to be done to win.
>
>I'm not saying the end result would be any different, but there's a certain
>apples to oranges about that. Levi hasn't had the hyper-dedicated team
>(riders, support staff, etc) focus entirely on him from day one. Levi has
>had more "what ifs" within his own team to think about.

Wasn't he the leader at Rabobank and Gerolsteiner ? In 2006 it looked
like he had a chance until he lost 6+ minutes on the ITTs, did he ever
explain what happened to him on these occasions ? Fridge broke down
maybe ?

[zzfranklin@mac.com]

On Sep 15, 4:29*pm, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:54:26 -0500, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
> >news:L6Azk.336$as4.255@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
> >> >On a serious note, I don't think he could out-climb Contador, but I
> >>>think he could stay close to him. *Hell, even Leipheimer has shown the
> >>>ability to stay with him.
>
> >> That's a very good point. If the question were posed- "Could Levi beat
> >> Lance in the 'Tour" I don't think there would be many betting on Levi. And
> >> Levi's been very close to Contador. The tactical advantage (ride smarts)
> >> would certainly be in Lance's favor; Lance has always had a very good
> >> handle on knowing exactly what needed to be done to win.
>
> >I'm not saying the end result would be any different, but there's a certain
> >apples to oranges about that. Levi hasn't had the hyper-dedicated team
> >(riders, support staff, etc) focus entirely on him from day one. Levi has
> >had more "what ifs" within his own team to think about.
>
> Wasn't he the leader at Rabobank and Gerolsteiner ? In 2006 it looked
> like he had a chance until he lost 6+ minutes on the ITTs, did he ever
> explain what happened to him on these occasions ? Fridge broke down
> maybe ?

I don't know, but he's been a stud in TTs the last two years and he
hasn't been popped. Others have.

[Nobody]

On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:35:28 -0700 (PDT), Mark <mriordan95@aol.com>
wrote:

>On Sep 15, 11:41?am, ronaldo_jeremiah <ronaldo_jerem...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>> No candyassing for me - beginning today, Lance will never finish ahead
>> of Contador in a Grand Tour GC.
>>
>> -rj
>
>How many years on the cotract between Astana and Contador?
>
>With a Tour de France victory under his belt last winter, Astana is
>now probably paying Contador too much $'s to be playing second fiddle
>to anyone, including Lance. And I seriously doubt that Contador would
>be willing to take a pay cut to play Lieutenant to Lance in a contract
>negotiations with two more Grand Tour victories this year.

Oddly, it's Levi who seems nonplussed:

From Superhumanmag.com:
"Another Astana rider, Levi Leipheimer, seemed soured by talk of
riding with Armstrong again. "I don't want to talk about it," said
Leipheimer, who rode alongside Armstrong for one season at U.S. Postal
Service."

[hizark21]

Lance is worth a huge amount of PR value to Astana. It's possible that
Astana could take on another big sponsor. It's hard to tell however
given the current economy.

On Sep 15, 6:35*pm, Mark <mriorda...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Sep 15, 11:41 am, ronaldo_jeremiah <ronaldo_jerem...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > No candyassing for me - beginning today, Lance will never finish ahead
> > of Contador in a Grand Tour GC.
>
> > -rj
>
> How many years on the cotract between Astana and Contador?
>
> With a Tour de France victory under his belt last winter, Astana is
> now probably paying Contador too much $'s to be playing second fiddle
> to anyone, including Lance. *And I seriously doubt that Contador would
> be willing to take a pay cut to play Lieutenant to Lance in a contract
> negotiations with two more Grand Tour victories this year.

[Keith]

>How many years on the cotract between Astana and Contador?
>>
>>With a Tour de France victory under his belt last winter, Astana is
>>now probably paying Contador too much $'s to be playing second fiddle
>>to anyone, including Lance. And I seriously doubt that Contador would
>>be willing to take a pay cut to play Lieutenant to Lance in a contract
>>negotiations with two more Grand Tour victories this year.
>
>Oddly, it's Levi who seems nonplussed:
>
>From Superhumanmag.com:
>"Another Astana rider, Levi Leipheimer, seemed soured by talk of
>riding with Armstrong again. "I don't want to talk about it," said
>Leipheimer, who rode alongside Armstrong for one season at U.S. Postal
>Service."

He probably know a lof of *things* we don't ...

[Tom Kunich]

"Keith" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:pk30d4hjqkhi1dus71hkaicoo4gc5rs41r@4ax.com...
>
> He probably know a lof of *things* we don't ...

If he knows anything apparently he knows more than you.

[Tom Kunich]

"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message
news:G_qdnYl0NfZCiE3VnZ2dnUVZ_rDinZ2d@earthlink.co m...
> "Keith" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:pk30d4hjqkhi1dus71hkaicoo4gc5rs41r@4ax.com...
>>
>> He probably know a lof of *things* we don't ...
>
> If he knows anything apparently he knows more than you.

My apologies Keith, but you seem to be posting more and more like the
pinheads here. I prefer it when you post in your normal intelligent manner.

[Keith]

On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:35:09 -0700, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.
com> wrote:

>"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message
>news:G_qdnYl0NfZCiE3VnZ2dnUVZ_rDinZ2d@earthlink.co m...
>> "Keith" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:pk30d4hjqkhi1dus71hkaicoo4gc5rs41r@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> He probably know a lof of *things* we don't ...
>>
>> If he knows anything apparently he knows more than you.
>
>My apologies Keith, but you seem to be posting more and more like the
>pinheads here. I prefer it when you post in your normal intelligent manner.

Oh lookee...here comesKunich, the least respected man on the internet.
Time for your nap.

[Howard Kveck]

In article <42g0d4d8akv27n7teh25s85kfcoml3r5u2@4ax.com>, Keith <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:35:09 -0700, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.
> com> wrote:
>
> >"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message
> >news:G_qdnYl0NfZCiE3VnZ2dnUVZ_rDinZ2d@earthlink.co m...
> >> "Keith" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> news:pk30d4hjqkhi1dus71hkaicoo4gc5rs41r@4ax.com...
> >>>
> >>> He probably know a lof of *things* we don't ...
> >>
> >> If he knows anything apparently he knows more than you.
> >
> >My apologies Keith, but you seem to be posting more and more like the
> >pinheads here. I prefer it when you post in your normal intelligent manner.
>
> Oh lookee...here comesKunich, the least respected man on the internet.
> Time for your nap.

(heh) I don't think he meant *that* normal manner...

--
tanx,
Howard

I'll take the case!

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[Donald Munro]

Keith wrote:
>> Oh lookee...here comesKunich, the least respected man on the internet.
>> Time for your nap.

Howard Kveck wrote:
> (heh) I don't think he meant *that* normal manner...

Its quite normal by rbr standards, perhaps a little too polite.

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article <48d0b68d$0$2850$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com>,
Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Keith wrote:
> >> Oh lookee...here comesKunich, the least respected man on the internet.
> >> Time for your nap.
>
> Howard Kveck wrote:
> > (heh) I don't think he meant *that* normal manner...
>
> Its quite normal by rbr standards, perhaps a little too polite.

I'd like to object to calling TK the least respected man on the
Internet. Are there no Dolans? Does not Jim Beam still stock the Net of
Use?

Please people, perspective.

Also, this post is an excuse to point out that I spent the evening
eating food paired with beer, touring the brewery that made the beer,
then drinking more beer.

http://wiredcola.com/content/supposedly-terrible-thing-i-will-do-every-ti
me-i-can

I am of course telling everyone, as well as robbing David Foster
Wallace's literary grave.

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

[RicodJour]

On Sep 17, 4:15*am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Please people, perspective.
>
> Also, this post is an excuse to point out that I spent the evening
> eating food paired with beer, touring the brewery that made the beer,
> then drinking more beer.
>
> http://wiredcola.com/content/supposedly-terrible-thing-i-will-do-ever...
> me-i-can
>
> I am of course telling everyone, as well as robbing David Foster
> Wallace's literary grave.

The menu looked good, at least the food on it did. The beer...not so
much. Obviously you were co-opted (some would say bought, but I have
much admiration for you disdain of money in the pursuit of all that is
beer) by the glitz and glamour of your soiree.

Let me put it another way - you're a beer whore. There, it's out in
the open. You are obviously ready to open your gullet to anyone
willing to pour beer down it. It's disgusting. Can I come to the
next one?

R

[Donald Munro]

Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>> Also, this post is an excuse to point out that I spent the evening
>> eating food paired with beer, touring the brewery that made the beer,
>> then drinking more beer.
>>
>> http://wiredcola.com/content/supposedly-terrible-thing-i-will-do-ever...
>> me-i-can

RicodJour wrote:
> Let me put it another way - you're a beer whore. There, it's out in the
> open. You are obviously ready to open your gullet to anyone willing to
> pour beer down it. It's disgusting. Can I come to the next one?

Beer porn is disquieting.

[Ryan Cousineau]

On Sep 17, 8:35*am, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 17, 4:15*am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Please people, perspective.
>
> > Also, this post is an excuse to point out that I spent the evening
> > eating food paired with beer, touring the brewery that made the beer,
> > then drinking more beer.
>
> >http://wiredcola.com/content/supposedly-terrible-thing-i-will-do-ever...
> > me-i-can
>
> > I am of course telling everyone, as well as robbing David Foster
> > Wallace's literary grave.
>
> The menu looked good, at least the food on it did. *The beer...not so
> much. *Obviously you were co-opted (some would say bought, but I have
> much admiration for you disdain of money in the pursuit of all that is
> beer) by the glitz and glamour of your soiree.
>
> Let me put it another way - you're a beer whore. *There, it's out in
> the open. *You are obviously ready to open your gullet to anyone
> willing to pour beer down it. *It's disgusting. *Can I come to the
> next one?

Shurely "beer slut"? Can we get a ruling on this? JT? H2? Bill Asher?

And now, a thoughtful comment on beer.

There's nothing wrong with light lagers per se. They're a nice beer,
they're served cold, and they're just the thing on a warm day or when
you want a light lager. What was a little odd was how light lagers
ended up (for a time) becoming virtually the only type of beer in
North America.

It's a little interesting that beer was once a seasonal product, but
thanks to refrigeration (of the ingredients as much as the finished
product), various beer types are available year-round.

Some of the beers I tasted weren't lagers (though a few fussy beer
snobs would be up in arms, claiming that any beer that is laagered
(stored cold after fermentation) is a lager, regardless of the yeast
used), and some weren't even good. But some were better than you might
think.

Right now, I'm still plotting to buy a few bottles of a really great
kriek I tried on the weekend, and probably some Unibroue to go with
it. But yeah, I won't be spitting out a witbier just because Molson
brewed it.

[Robert Chung]

Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> Some of the beers I tasted weren't lagers (though a few fussy beer
> snobs would be up in arms, claiming that any beer that is laagered
> (stored cold after fermentation) is a lager, regardless of the yeast
> used)

Can you give an example of a beer that is lagered after having been pitched
with top-fermenting yeast? I don't know of any (I'm not claiming they don't
exist--I just don't know of any). Conversely, there certainly are beers made
with bottom-fermenting yeasts that aren't lagered, and they aren't called
lagers.

[Carmella the Roach Killer]

I wore an onion on my belt because it was the style at the time.


"Robert Chung" <anonymous.coward@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:wejAk.588$as4.35@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>> Some of the beers I tasted weren't lagers (though a few fussy beer
>> snobs would be up in arms, claiming that any beer that is laagered
>> (stored cold after fermentation) is a lager, regardless of the yeast
>> used)
>
> Can you give an example of a beer that is lagered after having been
> pitched with top-fermenting yeast? I don't know of any (I'm not claiming
> they don't exist--I just don't know of any). Conversely, there certainly
> are beers made with bottom-fermenting yeasts that aren't lagered, and they
> aren't called lagers.
>

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article <wejAk.588$as4.35@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>,
"Robert Chung" <anonymous.coward@invalid.address> wrote:

> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > Some of the beers I tasted weren't lagers (though a few fussy beer
> > snobs would be up in arms, claiming that any beer that is laagered
> > (stored cold after fermentation) is a lager, regardless of the yeast
> > used)
>
> Can you give an example of a beer that is lagered after having been pitched
> with top-fermenting yeast? I don't know of any (I'm not claiming they don't
> exist--I just don't know of any). Conversely, there certainly are beers made
> with bottom-fermenting yeasts that aren't lagered, and they aren't called
> lagers.

With the proviso that we're talking a recently-updated industrial
brewery with fermentation vessels that could accommodate several clown
cars, the brewmaster giving us the tour said that all their beers at the
plant were lagered, and that included Rickard's Red, which is made with
an ale yeast.

OTOH, the tasting case in my fridge (truly, the only thing better than
getting Greg to pay for your training rides is being courted by a
brewery) describes the Rickard's White as an unfiltered beer, while Gord
Rickards described all their beers as filtered.

This may have been a misunderstanding on my part; it happened in the
context of me asking about beers left on lees, and I am not super-strong
on beer processes (I'm no home-brewer, merely a home-drinker.)

I have decided there is no solution but to drink myself into clarity.

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

[Booker Bense]

In article <wejAk.588$as4.35@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>,
Robert Chung <anonymous.coward@invalid.address> wrote:
>Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>> Some of the beers I tasted weren't lagers (though a few fussy beer
>> snobs would be up in arms, claiming that any beer that is laagered
>> (stored cold after fermentation) is a lager, regardless of the yeast
>> used)
>
>Can you give an example of a beer that is lagered after having been pitched
>with top-fermenting yeast? I don't know of any (I'm not claiming they don't
>exist--I just don't know of any).

Does beer I left in the basement for a year before getting around
to bottling it count? ( FWIW, it was definitely improved by the
process.)

_ Booker C. Bense

[Robert Chung]

Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> With the proviso that we're talking a recently-updated industrial
> brewery with fermentation vessels that could accommodate several clown
> cars, the brewmaster giving us the tour said that all their beers at
> the plant were lagered, and that included Rickard's Red, which is
> made with an ale yeast.

Hmmm. Top-fermenting yeasts are basically dormant at lagering temperatures
so instead of slowing down secondary fermentation it would stop it. Not that
I'm disputing what you were told--I'm just trying to understand why anyone
would do it.

> OTOH, the tasting case in my fridge (truly, the only thing better than
> getting Greg to pay for your training rides is being courted by a
> brewery) describes the Rickard's White as an unfiltered beer, while
> Gord Rickards described all their beers as filtered.

Are they clear or hazy? BTW, I'd forgotten whites, since I never made
whites. They're usually made with top-fermenting yeasts. Hefeweizen and
witbiers (biere blanche) aren't filtered though kristallweizen are.

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article <6dkAk.593$as4.186@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>,
"Robert Chung" <anonymous.coward@invalid.address> wrote:

> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > With the proviso that we're talking a recently-updated industrial
> > brewery with fermentation vessels that could accommodate several clown
> > cars, the brewmaster giving us the tour said that all their beers at
> > the plant were lagered, and that included Rickard's Red, which is
> > made with an ale yeast.
>
> Hmmm. Top-fermenting yeasts are basically dormant at lagering temperatures
> so instead of slowing down secondary fermentation it would stop it. Not that
> I'm disputing what you were told--I'm just trying to understand why anyone
> would do it.
>
> > OTOH, the tasting case in my fridge (truly, the only thing better than
> > getting Greg to pay for your training rides is being courted by a
> > brewery) describes the Rickard's White as an unfiltered beer, while
> > Gord Rickards described all their beers as filtered.
>
> Are they clear or hazy? BTW, I'd forgotten whites, since I never made
> whites. They're usually made with top-fermenting yeasts. Hefeweizen and
> witbiers (biere blanche) aren't filtered though kristallweizen are.

The Rickard's White is definitely unfiltered: you can see the lees and
cloudiness in the bottle I just put up to the light.

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